Nut Flush On River On Paired Board

[ScottK2001 0]

I'm still relatively new to PLO, and I have a lot to learn. In this situation, I bought in for $120, and ran it up to $575, and was about to leave the table when this hand came up. I'm guessing I misplayed this hand at multiple spots, but I'm most interested in what I'm supposed to do on the river. BB seemed to be playing well, and didn't seem like a maniac.PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $6.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comButton ($731.50)Hero (SB) ($574.60)BB ($643.50)UTG ($134.25)MP ($600)CO ($226.90)Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 , 3 , J , A :club:UTG calls $6, 2 folds, Button calls $6, Hero calls $3, BB bets $30, UTG calls $24, Button calls $24, Hero calls $24Flop: ($120) Q , 2 , A (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checksTurn: ($120) Q (4 players)Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button checksRiver: ($120) 5 (4 players)Hero bets $30, BB raises to $207, 2 folds, Hero????

[MNmiracleCJS 0]

Gotta muck it unfortunately, By the looks of the size of the pot and his wayyyy over-raise i'd say he was waiting for this exact situation. Flush hits the river and he has the boat. Too many hands beat you and the pot isn't worth it considering you have to plug 170 more into it. I'd have bet the flop for what its worth just to feel out whats out there but that's just me. Shake it off

[DonkSlayer 1]

This is a fold given the fact that you've made a bunch of money and clearly taking a shot; walk away being up over $380 still. But in a vacuum of being properly brolled for this level, etc...It's pretty obvious you have a flush of some kind. That being said,1. I fold if the table has been playing aggro and betting in thin spots, where a "good" player could possibly justify checking (and then raising a bet) such a draw flop with a set of A's or Q's, and maybe AQKK, and combos of similarly strong hands with AQ in them. 2. Villain could also think/know he plays good postflop and that the others at the table will frequently fold to his raise preflop, and fold to a lot of resistance postflop; he therefore raised with some kind of goofy hand that made a boat by the river as well but wasn't there much on the flop.3. I call if you have a super-weak-passive image, betting only close-to-nut-hands and folding to any resistance.I'm only calling if I'm SURE of number three. The only reason this bears some thinking about is because villain checked the flop.Does anyone lead flop?

[RISEorFall 0]

id probably fold preflop. that too tight? all we really have is the suited A and bad positionthe river bet is really weak, and a good player might see that, realize it'd be fairly hard to have a hand worthy of calling a big raise, and try to take the pot.

[ScottK2001 0]

id probably fold preflop. that too tight? all we really have is the suited A and bad positionthe river bet is really weak, and a good player might see that, realize it'd be fairly hard to have a hand worthy of calling a big raise, and try to take the pot.

If not for the fact that it was 4-way, I'd have folded pre. As for the good player part, I feel like if it was heads-up, then sure, but not with 2 people left to act behind.Also, if I just check the river and BB pots it for $120, does that change anything?

[RISEorFall 0]

If not for the fact that it was 4-way, I'd have folded pre. As for the good player part, I feel like if it was heads-up, then sure, but not with 2 people left to act behind.Also, if I just check the river and BB pots it for $120, does that change anything?

im not omaha expert, but i would think it's even worse 4 way. multiway you need a much bigger hand to continue than HU, and this doesnt make too many big hands. HU 2 pair can win a decent amount of the time, which you're much more likely to make with this hand.i think the c/c makes it easier, as he could bet a lot of things, but it also loses you value for your nut flush when it checks through. and the other 2 people in the hand don't matter much. they havent shown any sign at all of having anything, it's not hard to figure they're not calling a PSB

[Shark527 0]

This is a fold given the fact that you've made a bunch of money and clearly taking a shot; walk away being up over $380 still. But in a vacuum of being properly brolled for this level, etc...It's pretty obvious you have a flush of some kind. That being said,1. I fold if the table has been playing aggro and betting in thin spots, where a "good" player could possibly justify checking (and then raising a bet) such a draw flop with a set of A's or Q's, and maybe AQKK, and combos of similarly strong hands with AQ in them. 2. Villain could also think/know he plays good postflop and that the others at the table will frequently fold to his raise preflop, and fold to a lot of resistance postflop; he therefore raised with some kind of goofy hand that made a boat by the river as well but wasn't there much on the flop.3. I call if you have a super-weak-passive image, betting only close-to-nut-hands and folding to any resistance.I'm only calling if I'm SURE of number three. The only reason this bears some thinking about is because villain checked the flop.Does anyone lead flop?

And he still reraises the river with others in the hand. I fold river pretty easy.I think a good point came up with folding pre. This is a very very marginal hand and you would have to hit a dream flop for it to be any good. I think it is even worse calling the raise. Sure, you are closing the action, but all your doing is going to play a raised pot in the worst position with an even worse hand.

[Shark527 0]

If not for the fact that it was 4-way, I'd have folded pre. As for the good player part, I feel like if it was heads-up, then sure, but not with 2 people left to act behind.Also, if I just check the river and BB pots it for $120, does that change anything?

That would just be giving away more money I think. The more players in the pot, the more nuts you need. What could you be hoping to beat calling a $120 river bet? Do you think he would be value betting a worse flush into 3 other people?

[MJMorrison 0]

id probably fold preflop. that too tight? all we really have is the suited A and bad positionthe river bet is really weak, and a good player might see that, realize it'd be fairly hard to have a hand worthy of calling a big raise, and try to take the pot.

I agree. This hand is definitely foldable preflop both before and after the raise. Sure, in NLHE a suited ace might be OK to limp with, then OK to see a flop with if there are a lot of players, but in PLO, you aren't going to get paid off when you hit your flush b/c with so many ppl seeing the flop everyone will know someone probably has a flush and there are so few other ways the board can hit your hand. I might take a look at good PLO starting hands. It's a real tough game to learn.