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#1 Snowman

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 07:46 AM

I'm mainly a limit player but I'm currently trying to take a stab at pot limit holdem. I'm feeling unsure about how aggressive to play. Should I have slowed down on this hand?Sorry for not using the hand converter, but I can't get it to work with Pokerroom. I removed all pre-flop folds.Seat 1: MP1 ($29.20 in chips)Seat 2: MP2 ($24 in chips)Seat 3: LP ($16.85 in chips)Seat 4: CO ($12.95 in chips)Seat 6: Button ($65.35 in chips)Seat 7: SB ($13 in chips)Seat 8: HERO ($24.50 in chips)Seat 9: UTG ($24.75 in chips)Seat 10: UTG+1 ($9.30 in chips)ANTES/BLINDSSB posts blind ($0.25), HERO posts blind ($0.25).HERO is dealt [ KC,KS ]PRE-FLOPMP2 calls $0.25, LP bets $0.50, SB calls $0.25, HERO bets $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50, LP calls $1.25, SB calls $1.25.FLOP [board cards QC,3C,3D ] (Pot: $7)SB checks, HERO bets $5, MP2 folds, LP calls $5, SB folds.TURN [board cards QC,3C,3D,7C ] (Pot: $17)HERO bets $11, LP calls $10.10 and is all-in.RIVER [board cards QC,3C,3D,7C,JH ]

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 08:08 AM

I don't think that was too agressive at all. :wink:

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Posted 19 May 2005 - 08:36 AM

nh.(the pre-flop raise could have been bigger, but that's personal preference.)aseemp.s. i'm guessing you ran into slowplayed aces or queens. when you push all-in or bet someone's remaining stack, you're usually only getting called when you're beat. however, this was an exception because your bet was standard and your opponent was shortstacked. the only way to prevent that is to keep the pot smaller for the turn by betting less on the flop and/or thinning the field a little bit more pre-flop. you can't really bet less on the flop with three opponents, so the turn push was inevitable. that's why i'd have liked it if you near-potted or potted it pre-flop when it came back to you. hopefully this would have gotten you heads-up, and the pot would have been smaller and easier to work with, making your turn play a little bit easier. that's why, in PL HE, getting heads-up against a shortstack opponent is really important--you have a smaller pot to work with, which makes it easier to get value.
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Posted 24 May 2005 - 09:38 AM

akishore said:

nh.(the pre-flop raise could have been bigger, but that's personal preference.)aseemp.s. i'm guessing you ran into slowplayed aces or queens. when you push all-in or bet someone's remaining stack, you're usually only getting called when you're beat. however, this was an exception because your bet was standard and your opponent was shortstacked. the only way to prevent that is to keep the pot smaller for the turn by betting less on the flop and/or thinning the field a little bit more pre-flop. you can't really bet less on the flop with three opponents, so the turn push was inevitable. that's why i'd have liked it if you near-potted or potted it pre-flop when it came back to you. hopefully this would have gotten you heads-up, and the pot would have been smaller and easier to work with, making your turn play a little bit easier. that's why, in PL HE, getting heads-up against a shortstack opponent is really important--you have a smaller pot to work with, which makes it easier to get value.
Thanks for the input on the pre-flop raise, I like that.He had pocket sevens, which made me slightly agitated for a little while. :D

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Posted 24 May 2005 - 09:53 AM

I'm with akishore on this one. I like a full raise preflop to thin the field. Yours was a standard OPENING raise. With more people in the pot, you have to raise it more to be effective. KK is a really good hand but it's still vulnerable. Unlike AA, you don't want to take KK into a heavily multiway pot IMO. You want 1 or 2 opponents to deal with so you can find out punish any draws the most after the flop if it's good for you. If you're last to act after your bet on the flop, it would have been profitable for the SB to call with a flush draw which you don't want to happen.As it turns out, you DID get the person to make a horrible call on the flop. They just got lucky and sucked out on you.Zara




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