qq w/a fourflush by the river

[KDawgCometh 2]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q:club:, Q:heart:. 1 fold, BB calls.Flop: (8.33 SB) 8:club:, 5:diamond:, 4:diamond: (4 players)BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, Button calls.Turn: (8.66 BB) 3:diamond: (3 players)Hero bets, MP1 folds, Button calls.River: (10.66 BB) A:diamond: (2 players)Hero bets, Button calls.Final Pot: 12.66 BBButton was a full out donk. Is this a good place for a clarkmeister?

[allinbluff35 0]

i think it's a good spot for the clarkmeister theorem

[Vade 0]

Um...yes

[wrto4556 0]

Um...yes

[Petoria 0]

i think it's a good spot for the clarkmeister theorem

Why dont you explain the clarkmeister theorem for many of the newer players, not me of course. 8) .

[Devilkin 0]

Clarkmeister's Theorem.Conditions:1) you are out of position2) the river is the 4th flush cardWhat to do:bet with the intention of folding to a raiseReasons:- the 4th flush card will slow anyone down- if they raise, they beat you. no one would bluff raise this.- if you check, they will bluff and you must call.- if you bet, they might make the incorrect fold. Sounds like an ideal place to throw out a bet and see where you stand.Dev

[Whatever 1]

If this isn't a good place for a clarkmeister then what is?

[cdddc75 0]

If this isn't a good place for a clarkmeister then what is?

[akishore 0]

Clarkmeister's Theorem.Conditions:1) you are out of position2) the river is the 4th flush cardWhat to do:bet with the intention of folding to a raiseReasons:- the 4th flush card will slow anyone down- if they raise, they beat you. no one would bluff raise this.- if you check, they will bluff and you must call.- if you bet, they might make the incorrect fold. Sounds like an ideal place to throw out a bet and see where you stand.Dev

i disagree with the bolded part. i've seen donks do the donkiest things online.i don't completely think it's a correct theorem against aggressive players, but against passive players, i think it's 110% correct. it goes hand-in-hand with the idea of value betting hard against passive players.against a passive opponent who will check without the flush (if you check), you're losing a bet. against a passive opponent who will bet or raise with the flush, you're losing nothing since you're folding to a raise.but against an aggressive opponent, it's way wrong to fold to a raise in this gigantic of a pot. i really would never do this against an aggressive opponent. i'd check-call because it's likely that my aggressive opponent might even bluff, and so i'm still getting in a bet when i have the best hand, and i'm still losing just one bet when i'm beat.if your opponent was passive, it's correct. but if he was aggressive, i don't like the bet-fold line one bit on the river. to fold in this big of a pot getting 13-to-1 against an aggressive opponent (that's key: aggressive opponent) is wrong, i think.aseem