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#21 Good Tom Hunting

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Posted 15 April 2009 - 10:59 PM

View PostTheCinciKid, on Wednesday, April 15th, 2009, 11:03 PM, said:

I'm actually very encouraged by the last two nights. Billingsley and Kershaw pitched great. Kershaw has been awesome so far and hasn't really exhibited any of the growing pains I was afraid we might see. There are going to be nights in any season when the bullpen blows it. Kuo has been very good for us out of the bullpen, so I'm not really worried about him. Comeback wins are always good to get too. It shows the character of a team. This is the most excited I've been about a Dodger team in recent memory.
The Giants offense makes a lot of pitchers look good, unfortunately. Billingsley and Kershaw are good, but not that good.

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 09:30 AM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Wednesday, April 15th, 2009, 11:59 PM, said:

The Giants offense makes a lot of pitchers look good, unfortunately. Billingsley and Kershaw are good, but not that good.
billingsley is very good
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Posted 16 April 2009 - 11:10 AM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Wednesday, April 15th, 2009, 11:59 PM, said:

The Giants offense makes a lot of pitchers look good.
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Posted 16 April 2009 - 12:44 PM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Wednesday, April 15th, 2009, 11:59 PM, said:

The Giants offense makes a lot of pitchers look good, unfortunately. Billingsley and Kershaw are good, but not that good.
If you think that Billingsley and Kershaw are not that good then you have no idea about baseball. They are both amazing pitchers.

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 12:46 PM

And if Kershaw can keep this up, the Dodgers will be a World Series contender.

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 12:58 PM

View PostGeneralGeeWhiz, on Thursday, April 16th, 2009, 1:44 PM, said:

If you think that Billingsley and Kershaw are not that good then you have no idea about baseball. They are both amazing pitchers.
They both have great stuff, but walk far too many people - especially kershaw. They will be studs a few years down the line when they learn how to "pitch" and not just "throw". However, right now, they are not "amazing pitchers" as you say - just good pitchers with a lot of potential.

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 05:35 PM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Thursday, April 16th, 2009, 1:58 PM, said:

They both have great stuff, but walk far too many people - especially kershaw. They will be studs a few years down the line when they learn how to "pitch" and not just "throw". However, right now, they are not "amazing pitchers" as you say - just good pitchers with a lot of potential.
Lol, not against the Giants. 18 bbs and 72 ks on the year thus far for Giants hitters; that is some impressive discipline. The Nats have struck out once more, but have also drawn 15 more walks or so.Your inclusion of Billingsley in that comment is off base and not supported by the numbers, let alone what the eye can see. Last year he had 4 less walks allowed then your golden boy Lincecum, in 25 or so less innings. Not really that big of a disparity. Control has not been a major issue for Billingsley for a while now, which anyone that has watched him pitch regularly could tell you. I think most people believe he is a stud right now, not a few years down the line. 16-10 w/ a 3.14 ERA and 200+ strikeouts is pretty good in a baseball era where few pitchers win 20 games anymore.Kershaw however, does need to refine his control. He falls behind too many hitters, throws too many pitches to get outs, and limits his time in the game. Pretty much how Chad was when he came up as well. His stuff is obviously fantastic and it is easy to see why scouts/gms/baseball people are so high on him, but he is not quite there yet. As much as I enjoyed his performace last night, he won't have the luxury of facing minor league caliber hitters and guys past their prime every start. He fell behind 2-0 quite a bit and then was helped out by weak fly outs etc etc.On a side note, the 'pitch/throw' comment reminded me of something Joe Morgan would say; thanks for the chuckle. :)Stults is basically a AAAA pitcher (not quite good enough at MLB level), so tonight should be a fair matchup vs Zito and the Giants lineup. I actually have a feeling Zito pitches well tonight vs the Dodgers, but we shall see.
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Posted 16 April 2009 - 08:13 PM

View PostPMJackson21, on Thursday, April 16th, 2009, 6:35 PM, said:

Lol, not against the Giants. 18 bbs and 72 ks on the year thus far for Giants hitters; that is some impressive discipline. The Nats have struck out once more, but have also drawn 15 more walks or so.Your inclusion of Billingsley in that comment is off base and not supported by the numbers, let alone what the eye can see. Last year he had 4 less walks allowed then your golden boy Lincecum, in 25 or so less innings. Not really that big of a disparity. Control has not been a major issue for Billingsley for a while now, which anyone that has watched him pitch regularly could tell you. I think most people believe he is a stud right now, not a few years down the line. 16-10 w/ a 3.14 ERA and 200+ strikeouts is pretty good in a baseball era where few pitchers win 20 games anymore.Kershaw however, does need to refine his control. He falls behind too many hitters, throws too many pitches to get outs, and limits his time in the game. Pretty much how Chad was when he came up as well. His stuff is obviously fantastic and it is easy to see why scouts/gms/baseball people are so high on him, but he is not quite there yet. As much as I enjoyed his performace last night, he won't have the luxury of facing minor league caliber hitters and guys past their prime every start. He fell behind 2-0 quite a bit and then was helped out by weak fly outs etc etc.On a side note, the 'pitch/throw' comment reminded me of something Joe Morgan would say; thanks for the chuckle. :)Stults is basically a AAAA pitcher (not quite good enough at MLB level), so tonight should be a fair matchup vs Zito and the Giants lineup. I actually have a feeling Zito pitches well tonight vs the Dodgers, but we shall see.
I didn't mean to insinuate that Billingsley and Kershaw are at the same stage of development, just that they both have had control problems and have not reached their full potential yet. Billingsley had 80 walks last year in 200 innings...i've always heard that a good ratio is 3 innings per 1 walk, no?Yeah...my baseball vernacular has been heavily influenced by guys like joe morgan, jon miller and of course kruk and kuip. :club:

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Posted 16 April 2009 - 09:55 PM

Billingsley has had his control problems in the past, but that's mostly behind him now. Sure, he walks a few more guys than we'd like him too, but he'll never be an extreme control pitcher. I'm very happy with where he is in his development. I think he's a staff ace right now. Kershaw will probably struggle with his control all year. As PMJ said, he won't have the benefit of facing minor league caliber lineups every day. In two years or less, he WILL be a staff ace though. Pitching was the issue with this teams coming into the season and while I've been encouraged by what I've seen so far, we haven't exactly been facing the Cubs and Mets. I think this team will struggle at times to get enough people out, but fortunately we won't struggle to score runs like we have so often in the past. I still expect Colletti to make another move or two to shore up the pitching staff before the playoffs. Maybe signing Pedro for half a season, maybe Jason Schmidt will come back and be able to resemble his former self enough to get a few people out. Maybe they'll trade for someone I'm not thinking of, but I do expect a move to happen.
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Posted 17 April 2009 - 09:57 AM

View PostTheCinciKid, on Thursday, April 16th, 2009, 10:55 PM, said:

I still expect Colletti to make another move or two to shore up the pitching staff before the playoffs. Maybe signing Pedro for half a season, maybe Jason Schmidt will come back and be able to resemble his former self enough to get a few people out. Maybe they'll trade for someone I'm not thinking of, but I do expect a move to happen.
Roy Halladay might be available once the Blue Jays fall off.
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Posted 17 April 2009 - 09:58 AM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Thursday, April 16th, 2009, 9:13 PM, said:

Yeah...my baseball vernacular has been heavily influenced by guys like joe morgan, jon miller and of course kruk and kuip. :club:
Heh, I haven't heard you call anyone 'meat' or tell them to 'grab some pine' yet.... :ts
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Posted 18 April 2009 - 01:30 PM

View PostPMJackson21, on Friday, April 17th, 2009, 10:58 AM, said:

Grab some pine, meat!
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Posted 19 April 2009 - 03:35 PM

Yawn.It's nice to get off to a great start, but they started 12-2 in 2005 and finished in 4th/20 games under .500...
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Posted 19 April 2009 - 05:38 PM

View PostPMJackson21, on Sunday, April 19th, 2009, 4:35 PM, said:

Yawn.It's nice to get off to a great start, but they started 12-2 in 2005 and finished in 4th/20 games under .500...
I don't really remember what the 2005 start looked like, but I will say this. Good God this team can score runs! This may be the best/deepest lineup we've ever had in LA.
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Posted 22 April 2009 - 10:53 AM

you called it patrick, Kershaw got roughed up.

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Posted 26 April 2009 - 09:41 AM

Winning games but they are still a flawed team; middle relief is pretty questionable, and the back of the rotation is still unreliable. The offense is great, but they need to do a better job with situational hitting. Broxton has been lights out, as has Bills. Ethier has really matured into a very good MLB player.
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 09:34 PM

i love you andre ethier. have my babies
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 09:43 PM

dear ned colleti,go get us some middle relief help
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Posted 28 April 2009 - 11:51 PM

View Postkobe2odom8, on Tuesday, April 28th, 2009, 10:43 PM, said:

dear ned colleti,go get us some middle relief help
You want Howry? :club: That game sucked...I can't believe Bochy keeps throwing Howry out there...he has been ridiculously overworked so far this season. I had a feeling he would blow it before the inning even started. Hopefully Lincecum can pull out the rubber match vs. whatever scrub Torre throws out there.

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Posted 29 April 2009 - 08:30 AM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Wednesday, April 29th, 2009, 12:51 AM, said:

You want Howry? :club: That game sucked...I can't believe Bochy keeps throwing Howry out there...he has been ridiculously overworked so far this season. I had a feeling he would blow it before the inning even started. Hopefully Lincecum can pull out the rubber match vs. whatever scrub Torre throws out there.
What a difference a year makes...the words "hopefully" and "Lincecum can pull one out" would have never been uttered in the same sentence last year.Just an observation.
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