anyone play stud?

[wrto4556 0]

Im pretty new to this so help a dood out.I get delt (Q ,3 )A A 7 brings it in and a K raises.A T cold calls as do I and we see 4th street 3 handed.4th street: (xx)K ,2 - (xx)T ,3 - (Q ,3 )A ,8 I check, The K bets, T calls, I call.5th street: (xx)K ,2 ,K - (xx)T ,3 ,8 - (Q ,3 )A ,8 ,A I bet, The K raises, The T folds, I fold...Anyone raise 3rd street with only one over to the king?

[Dirtydutch 9]

whats the ante, whats the bet?

[Absolute 0]

im folding on fourth street.

[wrto4556 0]

oops.1/2 (8 handed) Not sure about the ante. :oops:

[KDawgCometh 2]

raise it on the openeing street. YOu have a massive drawng hand, plus the ace over card to the King. I think you should CRed fifth street, but I generally like how you played it

[KDawgCometh 2]

im folding on fourth street.

why? you still have an overcard to the king and a live flush draw. Its fifth street where most real decisions are made. Granted the flush draw needs some help, but it is live, and so is our ace

[JaysonWeber 0]

I'm not Raising on round one, If I hit another club on Fourth I will bet out. I think I might call this from the K... He has no flush or straight showing.I'm learning it just as you are though.

[MrNiceGuy 0]

I think most sites use $.25 antes and $.50 bring-ins for 1/2. (I know party does, and I think stars does)I play a fair amount 1/2 stud. But I don't have enough experience to confidently give advice, so take this with a grain of salt:How live are your cards (do you know what the other dead cards were)? If clubs and aces are totally live, and Q's and 3's are healthy, I could see 3-betting on 3rd. Otherwise I'd probably just call (or fold if there are a couple dead clubs).I think the pot's big enough to take a card off on 4th (again, assuming your clubs are mostly live).5th street is tricky - With no dead kings, I think the bet-fold is good, unless you know the opponent to be particularly aggressive.

[Dirtydutch 9]

raise the 3rd street, C/R 5th street.

[KDawgCometh 2]

raise the 3rd street, C/R 5th street.

twas what I said 8)

[MrNiceGuy 0]

raise the 3rd street, C/R 5th street.

twas what I said 8)

You guys saw this was 8-handed, right? If the K raised from early position, it's two kings more often than not. If your hand is totally live, I think 3-betting third is reasonable (but still marginal). If it weren't suited, the AQ3 would be an easy fold in this spot on third.

[BTirish 0]

Raise it on 3rd. You've got the overcard, but you also want to represent the aces by raising. If you do make your flush, you're unlikely to get any action if you cold-called to start. Without good prospects for action on the later streets, a flush draw is devalued by a bit. You don't run into this problem if the Q is your upcard, but with an A up on a draw you want to represent the pair.One thing you didn't mention is how live the clubs are. I'm assuming there were zero or one on the board, other than yours.On 4th street, bet out while it's cheap. A raise from the K is unlikely, and if he does raise you know he's definitely got the pair, and possibly two pair or better. You can still call this raise, but you'll have to catch the A or a club (without him pairing the K) to continue. A raise from the K also probably knocks out the T, which is good for you.I don't think a CR does you much good on 5th street, if you hadn't been betting/raising previously. You're still high, so it's not like you'll be getting any free cards, and I don't see the K folding to your CR. With how you had played it up to this point, it's possible your opponent has K's up, so I'd continue with the hand as cheaply as possible to the river.It's easier, in one sense, to fold on 5th if you had been betting/raising earlier (and he was playing back at you), despite the improved pot odds for catching runner clubs, because it's easier to believe you're looking at trips or even a made full house. Still, with the board as it is on 5th, I probably want to get to the river as cheaply as possible. A's and clubs are live, and there's enough money in the pot to justify two more bets.One of the biggest problems here is position. You never had a chance to knock out the T, really, and you'd rather play this hand heads up.Any comments, anyone? Stud is my favorite game, but I'm still definitely a novice in thinking seriously about it.

[wrto4556 0]

I figured I should have raised on 3rd. My clubs and aces were clean, but there was a dead Q somewhere so I pussied out.I don't like check/raising 5th street. He obviously can beat a pair of aces and he just paired his door card...what am I missing?

[RISEorFall 0]

This is really all about knowing your opponent. if he's somewhat loose or aggressive his raise on 3rd doesn't necessarily mean K's or a pair plus the K. Could be high cards or suited cards. If he's tight, he definately has atleast a pair to start out with. No point in betting 4th as he's more than likely going to raise you, representing what he said he had before. On fifth I like the bet, but I expected the raise. Check/raising would be better to tell you if you're ahead or not. He's shown aggression the whole way, he's not likely to slow down now. If you bet and he raises, he retains control of the hand, but if you check/raise, now you have control. if he 3-bets you're toast unless he's just hyper aggressive, but even then you're probably still toast. If he calls you probably get a cheap showdown.

[JaysonWeber 0]

there has to be an easier way to post Stud hands... I've got like 4 that I would have posted but jeez is it annoying...

[KDawgCometh 2]

I figured I should have raised on 3rd. My clubs and aces were clean, but there was a dead Q somewhere so I pussied out.I don't like check/raising 5th street. He obviously can beat a pair of aces and he just paired his door card...what am I missing?

its not obvious that he can beat a pair of aces. It isn't unreasonable to raise with a high up card to disguise your hand. I CR this on 5th street to give the illusion that I have a better trips. You would've been able to accomplish this better if you raised on the opening street. By CRing 5th street you now take control of the hand on the bigger street. Plus if people make moves in stud, its usually on 5th street. If you get threebet back at, call and fold 6th UI

[KDawgCometh 2]

there has to be an easier way to post Stud hands... I've got like 4 that I would have posted but jeez is it annoying...

I tyhink if we had themn like thishero: villian:(9) ()(10) () J Acould work. Its a bit of work, but is more readable then dong it horizontally

[KDawgCometh 2]

damn, nevermind. hmmm :?

[MrNiceGuy 0]

This is one of my party poker hands - I used the hand converter that greenage over at 2+2 wrote.I did this in 2+2 format, it seems to work here too except that it doesn't like the _____ right after the last card.To use it, just open the link in internet explorer and paste in the hand history.7 Card Stud High ($1/$2), Ante $0.25 (hand converter)3rd StreetSeat 2: xx xx 4:heart:___foldsSeat 3: xx xx 9:club:___callsSeat 4: xx xx J:diamond:___foldsSeat 5: xx xx A:heart:___callsHero: 4:spade: 6:spade: 7:spade:___callsSeat 7: xx xx J:spade:___foldsSeat 8: xx xx 2:diamond:___bets4th StreetSeat 3: xx xx 9:club: 9:heart:___bets___callsSeat 5: xx xx A:heart: 7:club:___calls___callsHero: 4:spade: 6:spade: 7:spade: 6:heart:___calls___callsSeat 8: xx xx 2:diamond: A:spade:___double raises5th StreetSeat 3: xx xx 9:club: 9:heart: 5:club:___bets___callsSeat 5: xx xx A:heart: 7:club: 7:diamond:___calls___callsHero: 4:spade: 6:spade: 7:spade: 6:heart: 6:diamond:___raisesSeat 8: xx xx 2:diamond: A:spade: Q:heart:___calls6th StreetSeat 3: xx xx 9:club: 9:heart: 5:club: 3:club:___calls___callsSeat 5: xx xx A:heart: 7:club: 7:diamond: 2:club:___calls___callsHero: 4:spade: 6:spade: 7:spade: 6:heart: 6:diamond: Q:diamond:___raisesSeat 8: xx xx 2:diamond: A:spade: Q:heart: Q:club:___bets___callsRiverSeat 3: xx xx 9:club: 9:heart: 5:club: 3:club: xx___checks___callsSeat 5: xx xx A:heart: 7:club: 7:diamond: 2:club: xx___checks___callsHero: 4:spade: 6:spade: 7:spade: 6:heart: 6:diamond: Q:diamond: J:club:___betsSeat 8: xx xx 2:diamond: A:spade: Q:heart: Q:club: xx___checks___calls

[MrNiceGuy 0]

I figured I should have raised on 3rd. My clubs and aces were clean, but there was a dead Q somewhere so I pussied out.I don't like check/raising 5th street. He obviously can beat a pair of aces and he just paired his door card...what am I missing?

its not obvious that he can beat a pair of aces. It isn't unreasonable to raise with a high up card to disguise your hand. I CR this on 5th street to give the illusion that I have a better trips. You would've been able to accomplish this better if you raised on the opening street. By CRing 5th street you now take control of the hand on the bigger street. Plus if people make moves in stud, its usually on 5th street. If you get threebet back at, call and fold 6th UI

I think if you're willing to call a 3-bet on 5th, you're better off just check-calling down and spending the three bets to get a showdown.Very few (non-maniac) players that I've seen would complete first in with several players behind them without at least split kings, a wired pair, or a monster draw (something close to KQJ suited). And a wired low pair wouldn't always complete.Unless you know your opponent to be overaggressive, I would estimate that you're behind on fifth here at least 80-90% of the time, and that he has three kings more often than not.

[wrto4556 0]

because im stupid:raist 3rd street, C/r 5th street (fold to a 3-bet), right?

[KDawgCometh 2]

because im stupid:raist 3rd street, C/r 5th street (fold to a 3-bet), right?

pretty much

[Guest]

I'm with Weber here; I'm very muchly trying to improve my stud game. Someone should post more hands. I love seeing the stud critique; but I always hop on too late to offer up opinion on the hand in question. Can anyone offer up insight as to what we're accomplishing with the c/r there? I don't disagree with the play; but at always helps for me to know the whythanks.......

[BTirish 0]

I'm with zerospace. I'm not sure how the CR helps you here. There's enough money in the pot that even if your opponent thinks you have trip A's, he isn't going to fold so long as he has the trip K's, which I think is his most likely holding. If he already thinks you really have trip A's, he's going to take your check as a possible CR and check behind you. There's enough money that he can draw to a full house and hope you don't hit one yourself, and he may just check behind you on 5th.It all depends on your opponent, I guess, but I prefer to use the CR as a maneuver for getting an extra bet when I think I really have the best of it, rather than a way to bluff or take control of a hand. I can't imagine that you really have the best of it at this point, so there's no reason to commit more money than is necessary to see it to the river. Control should be asserted on 3rd and 4th streets--not 5th. This is why I do agree that raising on 3rd and betting out on 4th are correct. But I just don't see the CR (if you even get to make it) helping.

[kevinoc85 0]

call 3rd street, fold 4th. I think calling on 3rd is correct because you want as many people in as possible so you can draw to your flush. However, once you miss, and you do not have 4 straight, or 3 high straight cards (i.e. AQJ) to go along with your original 3 flush, you should fold your hand on 4th street.