cemo76 0 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 For anyone that is technically savy, I have a question to propose. Is it possible the RNG on the pokersites can actually show you the shuffle after the hand is done. So supposed you take a massive bad beat. You can actually see the 3 burn cards and the remaining cards in the deck? The problem I am having of late is that the bad beats are becoming to predictable online. I think if the sites made the RNG more accessible some how for public viewing, it would gain a tonne of respect from all the non believers. Also may attract more traffic to the sites? Maybe gov't controlled poker, if it ever happens, would allow for this to happen.Thoughts?Edit to clear up my point.... Imagine for a second that you could see all the cards in the deck, including the burn cards for the last 100 tournaments that you played. Now bare in mind I am no math whiz and I probably wouldn't have the patience to go through all these hands but I am sure someone would. (even if we hired a mathematician) They could see exactly to almost a certain degree at what percentage hands were falling. Meaning at what percentage aces were winning against a lower pocket pair. At what percentage a flush was hitting after the flop. At what percentage Huge pockets pair were losing to Ace rag.So to answer your question, it's quite simple. By allowing us to see the burn cards and remaining cards of a deck, the mathematician could almost certainly prove over a certain amount of tournaments of coarse if the cards are falling RANDOMLY or if there is any unorthodox PATTERN!! More so then based on just one individuals HAND HISTORY.Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Schuler 0 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Pay me $50/hour and I'll sit with you at the table and tell you all burn cards and such after each hand. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 We all know the big stacks win all the hands deep in tournaments. Link to post Share on other sites
Schuler 0 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Seriously, though. If they did this in B&M games I would trust them more.In fact, I should be able to inspect the deck before each hand is dealt. Link to post Share on other sites
Acekob 0 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Allowing you to see the burn cards and the remaining cards in the deck would make it quite possible to find out what hands people in the game had, no?Stupid idea imoO, and can't you just fold the hands you're getting beat on if they're so predictable? Link to post Share on other sites
GetSprung 0 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 STOP IT. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Link to post Share on other sites
Sparkywins 0 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Imagine the rake in government controlled poker Link to post Share on other sites
Schuler 0 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Better yet, the table should be allowed to vote on what the turn/river will be. Then the bad beats will go away. Problem solved. Link to post Share on other sites
kobe2odom8 14 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Better yet, the table should be allowed to vote on what the turn/river will be. Then the bad beats will go away. Problem solved.edit Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 SCHULER IS OWNING THIS THREAD. Link to post Share on other sites
NoSup4U 0 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 For anyone that is technically savy, I have a question to propose. Is it possible the RNG on the pokersites can actually show you the shuffle after the hand is done. So supposed you take a massive bad beat. You can actually see the 3 burn cards and the remaining cards in the deck? The problem I am having of late is that the bad beats are becoming to predictable online. I think if the sites made the RNG more accessible some how for public viewing, it would gain a tonne of respect from all the non believers. Also may attract more traffic to the sites? Maybe gov't controlled poker, if it ever happens, would allow for this to happen.Thoughts? Pay me $50/hour and I'll sit with you at the table and tell you all burn cards and such after each hand.This. I mean seriously, what is seeing 3 burn cards going to show you? If the site was rigged or not, you'd never know. They can always just show you 3 random cards that weren't used in the hand for the burn. OP what makes you feel like this information would in any way mean the hands were less rigged than you think they are?Mark Link to post Share on other sites
Snamuh 0 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Why would you want to slow the games down? Seriously, take off your tin foil hat and get better at the game. Stop making excuses for why you lose. Link to post Share on other sites
Jam-Fly 8 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 [ballon Guy quote](I'll look for it now) Link to post Share on other sites
Jam-Fly 8 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 ha, found it surprisingly quickly I always ask to see ALL the cards, not just the player that beat me, but the entire deck. This way I know I haven't been cheated.Really slows down the game, but I think the other players respect me for it. Link to post Share on other sites
gatortom64 1 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Why would you want to slow the games down? Seriously, take off your tin foil hat and get better at the game. Stop making excuses for why you lose.End thread Link to post Share on other sites
GetSprung 0 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 STOP BEING RETARDED. I HATE YOU. Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Sparco 2 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Just wanted to post that I read this thread and found what I saw below it quite funny:Yeah, I know I've made a similar remark before.(Come to think of it, isn't that sort of the theme of this thread anyway?)Sorry, carry on with the discussion. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Tastes like burning. Link to post Share on other sites
Solar 0 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 For anyone that is technically savy......I think if the sites made the RNG more accessible some how for public viewing,Thoughts?LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Dear playerHere is the RNG we use on our website. Hopefully you will now be confident that the cards that you are dealt, and those that are dealt as community cards are a near to random as is possible for a computer. We trust you won't use this information to reverse engineer the system and make millions as a superuser. Poker Staff. Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda 1 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Why did this kid have to come back?STOP MAKING THREADS! Link to post Share on other sites
coug2828 8 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 online poker sites don't burn cards Link to post Share on other sites
Jam-Fly 8 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 online poker sites don't burn cardsthat's true, Mike Caro said so in a book Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. Dear playerHere is the RNG we use on our website. Hopefully you will now be confident that the cards that you are dealt, and those that are dealt as community cards are a near to random as is possible for a computer. We trust you won't use this information to reverse engineer the system and make millions as a superuser. Poker Staff.If the RNG is for shit, knowing how it works doesn't mean that it can be exploited. Quite the opposite. If the RNG depends on the users not knowing the secret, then it will fail when the secret is discovered. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 online poker sites don't burn cardsIf they don't burn a card, than how do we know the cards aren't marked????????I guess your theory just went down in flames now didn't it? Link to post Share on other sites
finztotheleft 0 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I BG Link to post Share on other sites
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