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[Greentvdinner]

Here is my story:I am playing in a 5/10 limit ring game at a b and m. One of the first hands after I sit down I'm dealt A K unsuited and raise. BB calls and guy two to my right raises, I cap, BB folds and other guy calls. As background, the guy to my right has a fairly big stack of chips, mostly $25 chips so he probably had a good run before I got there. He has also been telling everyone how to play.So back to the hand. I have put him on a medium to moderately big pair. I am fairly sure he doesn't have A's, K's and probably not Q's. The flop comes 5, Q, 8 rainbow and he bets, I get no sense that the flop has helped him. Now I am thinking there is about $55 in the pot and if he bets the next two rounds (which seems highly likely by his attitude and body language) implied odds are $85 to see the river, costing me $15 in the hopes of getting an Ace or a King for odds of over 5 to 1. So I resolved to see the river and fold if I don't improve. As luck would have it, an Ace comes on the river, he bets, I call and he turns over a pair of jacks. I say sorry guy, I just rivered you and show my pair of Aces with King kicker. Well this guy starts a tirade about amateurs playing at these tables, etc and rather embarrassed me. I really felt I had played it right because we had jammed the pot so high before the flop. After investing $20, it would only cost me $15 to see the river. My question here is: Do you all agree that I played this correct? If not why?What do you think of his comments that I was an amateur playing stupidly?Incidently, I won a few more hands against this guy before he left and he was obviously down in stack size from when I had sat down.

[JustinHEMI04]

Ah tell him to shut his mouth and play his game. jacks suck. So does AKos. I love whiney players, they tilt easily. I don't have a problem with your thinking, not that it matters. I probably woulda raised him after the flop to represent the Q as a feeler. But knowing him, he probably woulda called. Woulda at least been more money for you. I also used to love the 5-10 table. But I agree its becoming... "amaturish." 10-20 and up is still relatively safe. At least around here.Justin

[Smasharoo]

Here is my story:I am playing in a 5/10 limit ring game at a b and m. One of the first hands after I sit down I'm dealt A K unsuited and raise. BB calls and guy two to my right raises, I cap, BB folds and other guy calls. As background, the guy to my right has a fairly big stack of chips, mostly $25 chips so he probably had a good run before I got there. He has also been telling everyone how to play.I love those guys.Perosnally, when I cap a three-bet from them I ussually say "All in!! Oh wait, is this limit?"That's just me though.So back to the hand. I have put him on a medium to moderately big pair. I am fairly sure he doesn't have A's, K's and probably not Q's.Yeah, no offense, but that makes no sense AT ALL. You're limiting his range of hands for no particular reason. Is he unlikely to three-bet with AA, KK, or QQ??You're basically just guessing randomly at what he might have and adding a likely attempt by him to isolate you with a middle pair to his RANGE of likely hands. AA should clearly still be in that range as he'd almost certainly play it the same way. The flop comes 5, Q, 8 rainbow and he bets, I get no sense that the flop has helped him. Now I am thinking there is about $55 in the pot and if he bets the next two rounds (which seems highly likely by his attitude and body language) implied odds are $85 to see the river, costing me $15 in the hopes of getting an Ace or a King for odds of over 5 to 1. So I resolved to see the river and fold if I don't improve. As luck would have it, an Ace comes on the river, he bets, I call and he turns over a pair of jacks. I say sorry guy, I just rivered you and show my pair of Aces with King kicker.You didn't raise the flop? Why??Well this guy starts a tirade about amateurs playing at these tables, etc and rather embarrassed me. I really felt I had played it right because we had jammed the pot so high before the flop. After investing $20, it would only cost me $15 to see the river.You didn't, actually. You have odds to call the flop but not the turn and some of the time your outs aren't clean, like when he has AA or KK.My question here is: Do you all agree that I played this correct? If not why?What do you think of his comments that I was an amateur playing stupidly?I think you should have raised the flop when an overcard to what your read on him was and seen what happened. This is a much better story if you push him off JJ and show him AK on the flop.You didn't play the turn correctly if you called a bet.You didn't play the river correctly if you didn't get a raise in.He's an idiot for berrating you though and you should have just laughed at him. Incidently, I won a few more hands against this guy before he left and he was obviously down in stack size from when I had sat down.Doesn't mean you outplayed him, doesn't mean you didn't. Really doesn't mean much to be honest.Anytime you get an expert playing $5/$10 just do your best to tilt him and hope to get paid off on hands where he should be folding to you. That's what I do.I've been known to get whole tables full of rocks tilting to the point that they call me down with 9 high.Of course, I can be pretty annoying in person if I try.