folding kk preflop in nl game

[bascomeb 0]

Has anyone been able to accomplish this feat and knowing that they had Ace Ace? I know I've never been able to. IMO, if they have AA then they have AA. That was one the many leaks in my NL game which is why i swtiched to limit. Anyway, anyone able to fold KK preflop?

[runningKingz 0]

well if someone went all in and all i had was kk i wouldnt call preflop.

[chindi 0]

Has anyone been able to accomplish this feat and knowing that they had Ace Ace? I know I've never been able to. IMO, if they have AA then they have AA. That was one the many leaks in my NL game which is why i swtiched to limit. Anyway, anyone able to fold KK preflop?

I have folded it once, and only once. Playing in a tourney, down to 8 people, with several people I've played a fair amount with, including a friend of mine who I had a locked read on at the time (which I later corrected... foolishly). I'm second in chips, my friend (to my right) is chip leader.Raised from middle position, with KK. 1 fold to my left, 1 call, Button raises, SB folds, BB calls, my Friend pushes in. I think about it for a moment or three and then lay it down. Button and big blind call. AA vs QQ vs JJ.K flops, A turns, and I thank my read.I think the only way you can lay down KK is if you have that tight of a read on a player that you know they have AA. Obviously if someone goes all-in pre-flop I'm seriously going to have to think about laying it down, but otherwise it's a very strong hand... that can cost you a lot of money but will play more than it loses you.I think what costs people the most money isn't the ability/inability to lay KK down pre-flop, it's the inability to lay it down post-flop when there's every indication that you're beat.

[Petoria 0]

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...ghlight=foldingyeah, that was me, I thought it was a decently easy read, but every hated me after i posted.

[Mr Monkey 0]

i have folded kk preflop in nl a handful of times.

[chindi 0]

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...ghlight=foldingyeah, that was me, I thought it was a decently easy read, but every hated me after i posted.

They didn't hate you.They think you made a horrible, gut-wrenchingly bad fold.And they were probably right.

[Vade 0]

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...ghlight=foldingyeah, that was me, I thought it was a decently easy read, but every hated me after i posted.

Hate's an awfully strong word :wink: Seriously though, I wouldn't worry too much about it

[NickTheKid 0]

Personally, I like the fold, I don't like having all my money on the line in a 3-way pot with K-K. A-A is a call, but K-K... I dunno, I'd think about it. I still have never done it.

[Rocketwadster 0]

I just posted my own thread earlier today about folding kings pre-flop (tourney - down to 4, pay only 3). Big mistake I made (realized it seconds after I did it). :oops:

[MrNiceGuy 0]

I've only ever done it once, I posted the details awhile ago:http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...9072&highlight=

[speedz99 145]

i have folded kk preflop in nl a handful of times.

Yeah, but based on your previous posts you didn't do it only because you thought your opponent had AA. From what I understand, part of your strategy is that KK is no good against multiple players regardless of what they hold because one of them will probably draw out on you.Not criticizing (well, maybe I am), but I don't think your strategy is what the OP is about.Try not to flame me too bad, I'm just inferring based on what you have said in the past few days.

[allinbluff35 0]

considering if you are playing a full ring game the odds of someone having AA when you have KK is 22:1 then I say nice hand and reload.

[Rocketwadster 0]

considering if you are playing a full ring game the odds of someone having AA when you have KK is 22:1 then I say nice hand and reload.

Its not just the ace ace you have to be worried about, as any ace can beat you if one comes out. :cry:

[allinbluff35 0]

considering if you are playing a full ring game the odds of someone having AA when you have KK is 22:1 then I say nice hand and reload.

Its not just the ace ace you have to be worried about, as any ace can beat you if one comes out. :cry:

quit fucking nutpeddling and playing scared, my god do you clowns fold KK if someone bets into you when there is an A on the board, grow some nuts and quit playing like pussies

[Rocketwadster 0]

quit fucking nutpeddling and playing scared, my god do you clowns fold KK if someone bets into you when there is an A on the board, grow some nuts and quit playing like pussieshey, I was just putting in a clarification to what you had typed. I never indicated that I would be folding that crap like your mom folds my briefs... :wink:

[allinbluff35 0]

quit fucking nutpeddling and playing scared' date=' my god do you clowns fold KK if someone bets into you when there is an A on the board, grow some nuts and quit playing like pussies[/quote']hey, I was just putting in a clarification to what you had typed. I never indicated that I would be folding that crap like your mom folds my briefs... :wink:

are you in middle school still?

[Mr Monkey 0]

i have folded kk preflop in nl a handful of times.

Yeah, but based on your previous posts you didn't do it only because you thought your opponent had AA. From what I understand, part of your strategy is that KK is no good against multiple players regardless of what they hold because one of them will probably draw out on you.Not criticizing (well, maybe I am), but I don't think your strategy is what the OP is about.Try not to flame me too bad, I'm just inferring based on what you have said in the past few days.

lets say its 1/2 NL and u have kk and raise it to $8 and someone come over the top and moves all in for $150 more, im folding even though i most likey have the best hand. alot of people use this all in strategy with AA why risk that much money when u havent even seen the flop. also when did i say that kk is no good against multibale players. get your facts right.

[speedz99 145]

i have folded kk preflop in nl a handful of times.

Yeah, but based on your previous posts you didn't do it only because you thought your opponent had AA. From what I understand, part of your strategy is that KK is no good against multiple players regardless of what they hold because one of them will probably draw out on you.Not criticizing (well, maybe I am), but I don't think your strategy is what the OP is about.Try not to flame me too bad, I'm just inferring based on what you have said in the past few days.

lets say its 1/2 NL and u have kk and raise it to $8 and someone come over the top and moves all in for $150 more, im folding even though i most likey have the best hand. alot of people use this all in strategy with AA why risk that much money when u havent even seen the flop. also when did i say that kk is no good against multibale players. get your facts right.

I'm sorry, your spelling of multiple was too far off for me to respond.Ok, I'll respond. You're right, you never mentioned KK specifically. You were very clear, however, about the fact that you are inclined not to push with premium hands because you might get drawn out on.I apologize if I made an incorrect assumption about your game. You still butchered the word "multiple".

[Mr Monkey 0]

please give me an example

[Randy Reed 0]

Last night I played a $5 multi with about 1100 people and was in first with about 250 left and swore not to mess up and lose a stack without the nuts. I was in on the button and held KK and was first in so I raised $2000, (200/400 blinds) expecting the blinds to fold. The big blind called and I knew in my gut he held AA. Flop came KQ4, so I checked, he bet $5000, I raised to $20,000 expcecting him to lay it down, but he pushed all in and I couldn't get my chips in fast enough. The Ace came on the river and I lost 2/3's of my stack just like that.I know it wasn't preflop like the thread is about, but KK does lose, trust me.

[speedz99 145]

please give me an example

In the "2 Hands, Incorrect Play?" thread you wrote:

I have the same kind of thinking as Makata on this situation

So you never directly said anything about playing a tight-weak game, you just agreed with someone else who did. That's even worse, because you agreed with his posts (disagreeing with all others) without giving any information or statistics to back yourself up.Of course, you then went on to insult wrto, who is one of the more knowledgeable posters on this forum. Good enough example for you? Oh, and don't tell me that the above thread was about KQ, not KK. All I am saying is that you play too tight to take full advantage of your more powerful hands. This is why I assumed that the "handful" of times you have folded KK preflop were most of the time not against AA, and therefore the wrong plays.

[Mr Monkey 0]

actually i dont play supertight, i can see why u might assume that based on some of my posts. just because i agreed with Makata on one situation doesnt mean im weak/tight. maybe it is a little weak tight but thats 1 situation. In another post i said that i usually fold AQo if their has been a raise but i also said that before i call with it i will reraise. i fold mainly but if i do play i raise i dont know how people call that weak/tight. also if im the first in i bet. i play lots of hands sometimes junk if i know i can outplay other players or steal the blinds.

[pokernoobie 0]

it is only ok a very small amount of the times to fold KK preflop in tournies. it is NEVER ok to fold it in a cash gameWhy are there so many of these threads?

[allinbluff35 0]

it is only ok a very small amount of the times to fold KK preflop in tournies. it is NEVER ok to fold it in a cash gameWhy are there so many of these threads?

people are nut peddlers and they still want to fold the second best hand preflop, I don't understand it at all

[Mr Monkey 0]

it is only ok a very small amount of the times to fold KK preflop in tournies. it is NEVER ok to fold it in a cash gameWhy are there so many of these threads?

their are no nevers. their are a few very rare situations in which its ok to fold kk in cash games