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#21 GeneralGeeWhiz

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 12:31 AM

View PostPoppy_Hillis, on Wednesday, March 4th, 2009, 11:22 PM, said:

What if one of their retarded fans loses it, kills one of the players, slices off his branded number on his arm and puts it in another player's freezer then kidnaps that player's son and makes him hit a homerun to save his kid. Now that would be exciting.
you're jaded

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 07:18 AM

View Postmiamicanes, on Thursday, March 5th, 2009, 2:43 AM, said:

I like Lincecum (SP) but I predict his little body cant take the way he pitches. It would be wise for the Giantsto cut his innings and work on his mechanics. But this is the Giants so I suspect they will do nothing.
Read this.Short excerpt:Such velocity was possible only because Lincecum's delivery is an engineering marvel, and he has the athleticism and fine-gauge musculature to pull it off time after time after time. Most pitchers are taught a delivery in segments, such as a step back, a gathering of the limbs while balanced over the rubber, the loading of the ball in a cocked position behind the head and then a fast uncoiling of the body as the arm comes forward. Hall of Fame righthander Robin Roberts used to say, "If you're going to hurry, hurry late," a reference to accelerated arm speed at the end of the more measured movements to keep the body balanced.Lincecum, by contrast, pitches with the intentions of a drag racer: It's go time from the start. His delivery gives the illusion of being one movement rather than the cobbling of several separate ones. Righetti calls this apparent seamlessness "flow.""The hardest thing to do is slow down, gather yourself, then throw a ball," says the pitching coach. "Greg Maddux, Bob Gibson, Rich Gossage -- they all flowed through their delivery. They keep their momentum going. Those flow guys are the ones who can sustain the grind of pitching. I think [Tim's] a longevity guy, I really do."

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 11:01 AM

View PostGeneralGeeWhiz, on Thursday, March 5th, 2009, 12:31 AM, said:

you're jaded
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Posted 05 March 2009 - 11:36 AM

View PostPoppy_Hillis, on Thursday, March 5th, 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

NOW DO YOU CARE BOBBY!? NOW DO YOU CARE?
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Posted 18 March 2009 - 08:52 PM

View PostGeneralGeeWhiz, on Tuesday, March 3rd, 2009, 10:29 PM, said:

We don't need that Dodger POS Manny. :club: We have Sandoval, Ishakawa (who is playing a lot better than people anticipated), and not much else... but we do have the best rotation in MLB. :ts

View PostPMJackson21, on Wednesday, March 4th, 2009, 1:28 PM, said:

LoooooooooooooooooolI dont think most people have any clue who you are talking about, so not sure what they anticipated from him. Rotation is good on paper, but we shall see how they react to 1.7 runs a game in support. Poor Matt Cain, the Giants should just trade him to the Red Sox or the Yankees so he can win a Cy Young or two and have a good career.That being said, the Giants should be somewhat competitive and no team will like going in there to face that rotation.
We have a lot more that Sandoval and Ishikawa....Rowand and Molina are above average at their respective positions. Out outfield platoon should be pretty good with Rowand, Winn, Lewis and Schierholtz (who is a really good hitter for average - .320 last year). With our pitching, this team can definitely compete with the dodgers for the top spot in the division. Also, don't be surprised if we trade for a bat at the trade deadline.....The Giants have some money saved and most teams will be selling at the deadline for financial reasons.

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 09:21 AM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Wednesday, March 18th, 2009, 9:52 PM, said:

We have a lot more that Sandoval and Ishikawa....Rowand and Molina are above average at their respective positions. Out outfield platoon should be pretty good with Rowand, Winn, Lewis and Schierholtz (who is a really good hitter for average - .320 last year). With our pitching, this team can definitely compete with the dodgers for the top spot in the division. Also, don't be surprised if we trade for a bat at the trade deadline.....The Giants have some money saved and most teams will be selling at the deadline for financial reasons.
sigh. Schierholtz is crap. didn't he bat .320 over 15 at bats or something? Lewis and Winn are average at best and Rowand was a horrible signing. :(I hope Sabes trades away Winn and Molina to get some value before the season is over.

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Posted 19 March 2009 - 11:02 AM

View PostGeneralGeeWhiz, on Thursday, March 19th, 2009, 10:21 AM, said:

sigh. Schierholtz is crap. didn't he bat .320 over 15 at bats or something? Lewis and Winn are average at best and Rowand was a horrible signing. :(I hope Sabes trades away Winn and Molina to get some value before the season is over.
I believe Schierholtz had over 100 at bats for sure. Also, I think Molina and Winn are in the last year year of their contracts, so even if they aren't traded at the break their salaries will be coming off the books soon. Posey will replace Molina next year, and we will sign/trade for an outfielder. Rowand's contract may not be the best, but at least he is still a decent player. I wish i could say the same about Zito! :club:

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Posted 20 March 2009 - 10:14 AM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Thursday, March 19th, 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

I believe Schierholtz had over 100 at bats for sure. Also, I think Molina and Winn are in the last year year of their contracts, so even if they aren't traded at the break their salaries will be coming off the books soon. Posey will replace Molina next year, and we will sign/trade for an outfielder. Rowand's contract may not be the best, but at least he is still a decent player. I wish i could say the same about Zito! :club:
You have a lot more confidence in Sabean to make the right move than I think is warranted. TO be honest, as a Dodgers fan there is nothing I'd like more than for the Giants to be in the race at the trade deadline so Sabes can work his magic. There are mediocre, aging veterans out there that would obviously be the final piece in the SF Giants first WS title. Miracles can happen! Any one know if Benito Santiago or Kenny Lofton are still in the league? Maybe Dave Roberts will still be available as a free agent, or Sabean can work a deal for Nomar.
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Posted 20 March 2009 - 10:44 AM

View PostPMJackson21, on Friday, March 20th, 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

You have a lot more confidence in Sabean to make the right move than I think is warranted. TO be honest, as a Dodgers fan there is nothing I'd like more than for the Giants to be in the race at the trade deadline so Sabes can work his magic. There are mediocre, aging veterans out there that would obviously be the final piece in the SF Giants first WS title. Miracles can happen! Any one know if Benito Santiago or Kenny Lofton are still in the league? Maybe Dave Roberts will still be available as a free agent, or Sabean can work a deal for Nomar.
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Posted 20 March 2009 - 08:41 PM

View PostPMJackson21, on Friday, March 20th, 2009, 11:14 AM, said:

You have a lot more confidence in Sabean to make the right move than I think is warranted. TO be honest, as a Dodgers fan there is nothing I'd like more than for the Giants to be in the race at the trade deadline so Sabes can work his magic. There are mediocre, aging veterans out there that would obviously be the final piece in the SF Giants first WS title. Miracles can happen! Any one know if Benito Santiago or Kenny Lofton are still in the league? Maybe Dave Roberts will still be available as a free agent, or Sabean can work a deal for Nomar.
This coming from the team whose GM is paying Rafael Furcal and Jason Schmidt 30 million combined to be on the DL. Its true, Sabean did go after aging vets when Bonds was around to try to push the Giants into the postseason, but his mindset has definitely changed lately. He was able to build a great team in the late 90's, and is doing a good job again through the youth movement.

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 12:23 AM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Friday, March 20th, 2009, 8:41 PM, said:

This coming from the team whose GM is paying Rafael Furcal and Jason Schmidt 30 million combined to be on the DL. Its true, Sabean did go after aging vets when Bonds was around to try to push the Giants into the postseason, but his mindset has definitely changed lately. He was able to build a great team in the late 90's, and is doing a good job again through the youth movement.
uh please don't defend Sabean. He has possibly been apart of the worst signing (Barry Zito) and the worst trade of all time (Boof Bonser, Francisco Liriano, and Joe Nathan to the Twins for A.J. Pierzynski)

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 12:28 AM

Plus, when is the last time the Giants had a decent hitting prospect. I know we just drafted Buster Posey, but he is still 2 years away probably. Other than that, I don't think we've had a hitting prospect on BA top 100 list in 10 years.

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 12:29 AM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Friday, March 20th, 2009, 8:41 PM, said:

This coming from the team whose GM is paying Rafael Furcal and Jason Schmidt 30 million combined to be on the DL. Its true, Sabean did go after aging vets when Bonds was around to try to push the Giants into the postseason, but his mindset has definitely changed lately. He was able to build a great team in the late 90's, and is doing a good job again through the youth movement.
I believe we gave Rob Nen a ~20 million golden parachute, but he deserved it after his performance in the playoffs.

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Posted 21 March 2009 - 09:21 AM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Friday, March 20th, 2009, 9:41 PM, said:

This coming from the team whose GM is paying Rafael Furcal and Jason Schmidt 30 million combined to be on the DL. Its true, Sabean did go after aging vets when Bonds was around to try to push the Giants into the postseason, but his mindset has definitely changed lately. He was able to build a great team in the late 90's, and is doing a good job again through the youth movement.
Mindset changing/youth movement = your two big FA signings being Renteria and Randy Johnson? LoooooooooooooolWhen did Sabean build a great team in the late 90s? You mean 2002? I'm not sure you can be a great team w/ out a title. Maybe a very good team...The Dodgers bad contracts (which I wouldn't include Furcal in, but you can if you want) have nothing to do with Sabean's lack of progress in San Francisco. Luckily for Dodgers fans, Los Angeles is a big market and they have a big market's payroll. Any negative effect Schmidt's contract has on the team is pretty negligble, especially when you consider that insurance has paid a good portion of his contract since he has been hurt. Unfortunately the Giants have not been able to convince their insurance company that Zito's performance should count as an injury.Honestly, I didn't know there were Giants fans that thought Sabean was still doing a 'good job'. I mean, I can almost understand the fans that drink the knbr kool aid and think they are somehow much improved this year (key word: almost), but I can not understand how a true fan would look at Sabean's body of work over the last 5 years and be happy with what has been done.
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Posted 21 March 2009 - 11:12 AM

View PostPMJackson21, on Saturday, March 21st, 2009, 10:21 AM, said:

Mindset changing/youth movement = your two big FA signings being Renteria and Randy Johnson? LoooooooooooooolWhen did Sabean build a great team in the late 90s? You mean 2002? I'm not sure you can be a great team w/ out a title. Maybe a very good team...The Dodgers bad contracts (which I wouldn't include Furcal in, but you can if you want) have nothing to do with Sabean's lack of progress in San Francisco. Luckily for Dodgers fans, Los Angeles is a big market and they have a big market's payroll. Any negative effect Schmidt's contract has on the team is pretty negligble, especially when you consider that insurance has paid a good portion of his contract since he has been hurt. Unfortunately the Giants have not been able to convince their insurance company that Zito's performance should count as an injury.Honestly, I didn't know there were Giants fans that thought Sabean was still doing a 'good job'. I mean, I can almost understand the fans that drink the knbr kool aid and think they are somehow much improved this year (key word: almost), but I can not understand how a true fan would look at Sabean's body of work over the last 5 years and be happy with what has been done.
Biggest difference between Schmidt and Zito contracts. The Schmidt contract was for three years and sadly he's been hurt the whole time. Yeah, it hasn't worked out, but it was a very good contract when it was negotiated b/c it was a relatively short-term deal for a veteran who was expected to still have something left in the tank.The Zito contract was for 7 years and over $100 million. This was a bad contract the day it was signed. Zito had been on the decline for a couple of years and giving him $100M was purely folly. Unfortunately for the Giants, he's been healthy the entire time so they've been forced to run him out there every fifth day since they're paying him so much. The Zito contract could possibly go down as one of the worst in MLB history. Sabean should probably be fired for this deal alone, if not for all the other things he's done to destroy the Giants over the last several years. As a Dodger fan, I hope he keeps his job forever though.
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 10:23 AM

good tom, please stop posting crap about how Sebean is a good gm and then comparing coletti's singing of schmidt and furcal. if furcal can stay healthy, he will have a monster year. Schmidt just fell apart, thanks to dusty baker and filpe alou using him more than they should of. your delusions about how the giants can contend for a title and that sebean is in a better mind set is like almost every giants fan i know. most sports fans are stupid, but giants fan are regarded as some of the dumbest because of fans like you.

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 12:02 PM

View PostGeneralGeeWhiz, on Sunday, March 22nd, 2009, 11:23 AM, said:

good tom, please stop posting crap about how Sebean is a good gm and then comparing coletti's singing of schmidt and furcal. if furcal can stay healthy, he will have a monster year. Schmidt just fell apart, thanks to dusty baker and filpe alou using him more than they should of. your delusions about how the giants can contend for a title and that sebean is in a better mind set is like almost every giants fan i know. most sports fans are stupid, but giants fan are regarded as some of the dumbest because of fans like you.
I'm so sorry for having faith in my fav team and talking them up BEFORE the regular season starts. Obv i dont think they have a realistic chance to win it all, but i would like to think that if everything 'clicked' for some reason then we would have a shot. Maybe i am just delusional, but I dont care. To clear something up, I don't think Sabean is the greatest thing since sliced bread, I just was defending some of his veteran signings while bonds was around. P.S. eff you. since when is talking up your team being "dumb" and not just being a "fan". You sir are jaded.

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Posted 22 March 2009 - 01:00 PM

View PostGood Tom Hunting, on Sunday, March 22nd, 2009, 1:02 PM, said:

P.S. eff you. since when is talking up your team being "dumb" and not just being a "fan". You sir are jaded.
Poor Giants fans, 50+ years without a WS title has turned them against one another.
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 01:09 PM

View PostGeneralGeeWhiz, on Sunday, March 22nd, 2009, 11:23 AM, said:

most sports fans are stupid, but giants fan are regarded as some of the dumbest because of fans like you.
This.At least you get it General. I admit that all the Lincecum love on here is still somewhat nauseating lol (see our Lincecum vs Duscherer thread from last year...haha). But you are a smart Giants fan, far better than most of the kool aid drinkers that call in to KNBR. And fwiw as an A's fan I hope the Giants are contenders, it just makes for a better baseball/sports atmosphere in the Bay Area when both teams do well.
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Posted 22 March 2009 - 04:39 PM

View PostSportsmack, on Sunday, March 22nd, 2009, 2:09 PM, said:

This.At least you get it General. I admit that all the Lincecum love on here is still somewhat nauseating lol (see our Lincecum vs Duscherer thread from last year...haha). But you are a smart Giants fan, far better than most of the kool aid drinkers that call in to KNBR. And fwiw as an A's fan I hope the Giants are contenders, it just makes for a better baseball/sports atmosphere in the Bay Area when both teams do well.
Thanks man. :club: I do admit that I can be a homer Lincecum fan. At least he won the Cy Young so I didn't look that bad. :ts Also, it seems that there are more intelligent A's fan compared to Giants fan. :4h




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