droberts 3 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Im new this to site, but i like the insight players give to other players. I have a few hands that occured to me earlier today and wanted to know how to proceed in them. Table is semi-loose but that seems normal for .05/.10 NL holdem. First hand I am UTG and raise to .35 with AcJc. BB calls and we see flop of Ad Qc 4c. BB started hand with about $7 and I had about $5. BB leads for .50 and i raise to 1.50. BB thinks for about 10 seconds and then raises all in. Is this an autocall because i have outs no matter if he has set or 2 pair?Next hand i had Ad 9d and was UTG+1 and raised to .30. Two MPs called as well as SB. Flop was Ah Kd Jd. SB checks I bet .60 and MP1 raises to 1.50 and then MP2 reraises to 4. SB thinks for a little while then moves all in for around $8. I started hand with about $6, MP1 has $10,and MP2 has $14. Do i call all in here or assume that one of them also has flush draw and some of my outs are gone?Thanks for the help. Hope to post more hands to get insight. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerinc 0 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 get it in w/ both hands. Raise pre flop the same in both hands, and top up to 100bbs pre flop.w/ your stack size these are snap shove/calls. Link to post Share on other sites
LJB723 0 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip 'em both. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Im new this to site, but i like the insight players give to other players. I have a few hands that occured to me earlier today and wanted to know how to proceed in them. Table is semi-loose but that seems normal for .05/.10 NL holdem. First hand I am UTG and raise to .35 with AcJc. BB calls and we see flop of Ad Qc 4c. BB started hand with about $7 and I had about $5. BB leads for .50 and i raise to 1.50. BB thinks for about 10 seconds and then raises all in. Is this an autocall because i have outs no matter if he has set or 2 pair?Next hand i had Ad 9d and was UTG+1 and raised to .30. Two MPs called as well as SB. Flop was Ah Kd Jd. SB checks I bet .60 and MP1 raises to 1.50 and then MP2 reraises to 4. SB thinks for a little while then moves all in for around $8. I started hand with about $6, MP1 has $10,and MP2 has $14. Do i call all in here or assume that one of them also has flush draw and some of my outs are gone?Thanks for the help. Hope to post more hands to get insight.shoveshovepokerizez a lot of times in these spots, you will see naked flush draws and since there are no overs to your pair, you will be dominating dominating dominating. and you aren't dead to a single hand you will see turned up. Link to post Share on other sites
gooch 0 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 push it real good Link to post Share on other sites
highsociety3 0 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 first hand, no question you get em all in there. if you fold there, you aren't playing poker right.second hand, you are clearly beat on the flop, but with that nut draw you are def priced in to call, whenever you have two other people going along with you in a flush draw situation you are essentially guaranteed the right pot odds... it might be reasonable to think that two of your outs are gone to another guy, but you also don't know if another A or 9 is an added out (which they may be).both these situations look like + EV call/shoves. Link to post Share on other sites
SpatsJ 0 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 jumping on the bandwagon here. insta shove both hands. you have 2 many outs to fold. Link to post Share on other sites
All_In 0 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 i have a question about the second hand, is it normally OK to raise UTG+1 with A-Xs?? Link to post Share on other sites
SCS 0 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 i have a question about the second hand, is it normally OK to raise UTG+1 with A-Xs??Depends on table, and your postflop abilities.You can apply that statement to any hand. Link to post Share on other sites
gooch 0 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Depends on table, and your postflop abilities.You can apply that statement to any hand.you have to be able to lay down ace flops to resistance when you don't hit your kicker, if you can't, then don't do it imo Link to post Share on other sites
All_In 0 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 you have to be able to lay down ace flops to resistance when you don't hit your kicker, if you can't, then don't do it imoi know u r supposed to play tighter in EP, so it kinda confuses me why raising in EP w/ A-Xs is not considered a standard -EV play. I can see limping, but raising?This may be wrong, but I would think limping is a better option since you will likely get the suited connectors joining in. You can bust them with your nut flush vs their small flush. Does this happen so rarely that it is not a relevant strategy?Limping may also make people think that you have a big pair, and are playing the 'standard way', limping in EP hoping to re-raise someone PF. So if the flop comes ragged and you bet out, or maybe even re-raise a bet by the blinds, you will take it down most of the time. Again, is this incorrect thinking?Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
GreeneStreet 0 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 This may be wrong, but I would think limping is a better option since you will likely get the suited connectors joining in. You can bust them with your nut flush vs their small flush. Does this happen so rarely that it is not a relevant strategy?Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe its 11% to hit your flush draw with AXs and less than 1% to hit your flush on the flop. I really don't see a point in limping with AXs. Either get in the hand and raise it, or get out imo. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 you have to be able to lay down ace flops to resistance when you don't hit your kicker, if you can't, then don't do it imoIf this is our standard, we should fold AQ> PF Link to post Share on other sites
TAGteam 0 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 If this is our standard, we should fold AQ> PFyah...makes no sense. Link to post Share on other sites
LJB723 0 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 yah...makes no sense.I think mt is saying we shouldn't play any A worse than AQ if we are going to be remotely unhappy when we hit our A (but don't make As up) Link to post Share on other sites
SpatsJ 0 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 i still like playing AJ and AT especially when their suited and am reasonably happy with an A on the flop. could be stupid? Link to post Share on other sites
LJB723 0 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 i still like playing AJ and AT especially when their suited and am reasonably happy with an A on the flop. could be stupid?No I think thats fine. Depending on position, table dynamics, opponents etc.I think having a hard and fast rule of folding A with <K is -EV. I think that's what mt was getting at. Link to post Share on other sites
SpatsJ 0 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 right. makes sense. thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
All_In 0 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 No I think thats fine. Depending on position, table dynamics, opponents etc.I think having a hard and fast rule of folding A with <K is -EV. I think that's what mt was getting at.but to raise A-Xs in EP, what do you think about that (generally)? Link to post Share on other sites
LJB723 0 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 but to raise A-Xs in EP, what do you think about that (generally)?6-max. I'll raise almost any suited A. And any A over A7, folding the rest.FR. I think AT is my minimum for raising, I include suited AXs in that range. Mostly because I'm much comfier 6m than fr. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 but to raise A-Xs in EP, what do you think about that (generally)?Unanswerable, in terms of "generally." You need to account for: table texture post-flop ability # of callers nature of the villain(s) your own imageIf I can with confidence nail the ranges of 75% of the players at the table based on how they respond to an EP xBB raise, then I'm going to get hyper aggressive. If I can NOT nail down ranges, then I'm dumping it in EP and pounding it IP.If I've been caught being aggressive with a pair of 8s on an AT952 rainbow board, I'm getting PAID when I flop any ace if I've tilted the right station. Link to post Share on other sites
All_In 0 Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 thanks all for replying to my (hijack?) post...it's becoming clearer for me.. Link to post Share on other sites
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