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#1 meservery

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 03:40 AM

SB was 56/12/.68 but only in 50 hands. Only like 10 hands on button.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($25.45)
CO ($15)
Button ($28.45)
SB ($25.35)
BB ($89.10)
Hero (UTG) ($30.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q icon_suit_heart.gif, J icon_suit_diamond.gif, 10 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 10 icon_suit_heart.gif
Hero raises to $1.10, 2 folds, Button raises to $2.50, SB raises to $9.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $30.30

Can I just call SBs 4 Bet? He will have less than a pot size bet left on the flop. Still have the button mini raiser behind me.

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Posted 19 February 2009 - 10:31 AM

Looks like omaha to me. Really can't flat that 4 bet no.
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Posted 19 February 2009 - 03:38 PM

QUOTE (pokerinc @ Thursday, February 19th, 2009, 11:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Looks like omaha to me. Really can't flat that 4 bet no.


Without any reasoning, this doesn't really do much for the discussion...


I think I flat call there. I'm still OK with all the money getting in if the button repots and SB calls, but we pretty much know what hand SB has, so why not see the flop. You're probably OK equity wise 3 way PF, but flatting might give you the opportunity to fold the really bad flops without putting more money in.
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Posted 20 February 2009 - 09:15 AM

I agree with a flat here... I don't like putting all my money in the pot in Omaha before even seeing a flop. Ofc, you can still call, but pf here, but I see no need to move over the top. But my game still needs a lot of improvement, so can't really say if this is proper way to play in this situation. Still, I just flat.
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 04:23 PM

Since the small blind's range mostly includes very premium hands in this situation and the fact that you are throwing away your option to throw away your hand on ugly flops means you misplayed this hand; flatting is more profitable.

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Posted 05 March 2009 - 04:26 PM

I don't think you can flat here because of the button min raiser. If you flat, and button has a premo hand, he repots and your in a 3 way pot with a hand that is very easily dominated in a lot of ways.

I would fold when it gets back to me.


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Posted 05 March 2009 - 04:39 PM

QUOTE (Shark527 @ Thursday, March 5th, 2009, 5:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think you can flat here because of the button min raiser. If you flat, and button has a premo hand, he repots and your in a 3 way pot with a hand that is very easily dominated in a lot of ways.

I would fold when it gets back to me.

If you are folding in these kind of situations you are playing WAY too nitty. The best option is to flat-call for the above reasons, the next is shoving, but the worst is folding.

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Posted 06 March 2009 - 07:07 AM

QUOTE (Pdiddydog @ Friday, March 6th, 2009, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you are folding in these kind of situations you are playing WAY too nitty. The best option is to flat-call for the above reasons, the next is shoving, but the worst is folding.


BFT.

Folding is definitely the worst option. The only way I'm folding this is if I'm told beforehand that all the Ks,9s, As, hearts and diamonds had been set on fire. Flat call and see a flop.

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 03:11 AM

QUOTE (LJB723 @ Friday, March 6th, 2009, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BFT.

Folding is definitely the worst option. The only way I'm folding this is if I'm told beforehand that all the Ks,9s, As, hearts and diamonds had been set on fire. Flat call and see a flop.

Oh, and results?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($25.45)
CO ($15)
Button ($28.45)
SB ($25.35)
BB ($89.10)
Hero (UTG) ($30.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q icon_suit_heart.gif, J icon_suit_diamond.gif, 10 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 10 icon_suit_heart.gif
Hero bets $1.10, 2 folds, Button raises to $2.50, SB raises to $9.10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $30.30, 1 fold, SB calls $16.25 (All-In)

Flop: ($53.70) 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 3 icon_suit_heart.gif, K icon_suit_heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($53.70) Q icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($53.70) 8 icon_suit_spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $53.70 | Rake: $2.65

Results:
SB had 6 icon_suit_club.gif, K icon_suit_club.gif, A icon_suit_club.gif, A icon_suit_diamond.gif (one pair, Aces).
Hero mucked Q icon_suit_heart.gif, J icon_suit_diamond.gif, 10 icon_suit_diamond.gif, 10 icon_suit_heart.gif (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: SB won $51.05

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 09:28 PM

Pair in hand = muck, especially when two dead aces kill possible straight outs. 2/5 of stacks going in preflop is too much to try to catch a flop.




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