Looks like outside of Nash everybody's on the trading block in Phoenix.
Apparently any trade the suns do will have to meet the criteria of lowering salary (or pickup expiring contracts) which means get young talent and draft picks.
Let the Stoudamire sweepstakes begin!
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Started by fleung22, Feb 09 2009 08:31 AM
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Posted 09 February 2009 - 08:39 AM
I wonder who is going to make a push to get him.
Copy/Paste from ESPN Rumors...
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According to league sources, the Bulls are one of several teams engaged in discussions about Amare Stoudemire.
Any Bulls package would include the expiring $7.1 million contract of Drew Gooden. Two league sources said the Suns also are most intrigued by forward Tyrus Thomas, and his play on the recent trip explains why. -- Chicago Tribune
# Their offer would be centered around Tyrus Thomas, along with the expiring contracts of Drew Gooden and Cedric Simmons. Whether the Bulls sweeten the deal by throwing in Thabo Sefolosha, Andres Nocioni, Joakim Noah or draft picks is negotiable.
Don't expect Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich or Ben Gordon to be included in any trade.
Besides the Bulls, the main suitors are believed to be Miami, Detroit, New Jersey and possibly Portland. -- Arlington Heights Daily Herald
# Stoudemire has been the subject of trade rumors linking him with several teams, including the Detroit Pistons.
"It's part of the job," Stoudemire said. "Some years, you have to deal with trade rumors and some years, you don't. It's just part of the trade."
As far as the talk about him and the Pistons, Stoudemire said, "I try not to focus on anything but the game, but I hear all the scenarios. It's nice to see that good teams are interested in you." -- Booth Newspapers
# The Warriors have thrown their hat into the ring for Suns All-Star PF Amare Stoudemire, who is available if the NBA insider scuttle is to be believed. According to a team source, the Warriors have and likely will continue to have talks with the Suns about a deal. -- Contra Costa Times
# Apparently, the talk revved up today and the Warriors were either in direct contact with the Suns or the Warriors' executives were telling other teams that they were.
Either way, the Warriors want in on the Stoudemire discussion, and if they don't get him by the Feb. 19 trade deadline, most NBA sources presume that they will try to get involved with any other available young power forward/center, if they aren't already.
That, the source cautioned, does not mean that the Suns are intrigued and it definitely doesn't mean that the Warriors are a top candidate for Stoudemire, who can opt-out of his contract in the summer of 2010. -- San Jose Mercury News
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According to league sources, the Bulls are one of several teams engaged in discussions about Amare Stoudemire.
Any Bulls package would include the expiring $7.1 million contract of Drew Gooden. Two league sources said the Suns also are most intrigued by forward Tyrus Thomas, and his play on the recent trip explains why. -- Chicago Tribune
# Their offer would be centered around Tyrus Thomas, along with the expiring contracts of Drew Gooden and Cedric Simmons. Whether the Bulls sweeten the deal by throwing in Thabo Sefolosha, Andres Nocioni, Joakim Noah or draft picks is negotiable.
Don't expect Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich or Ben Gordon to be included in any trade.
Besides the Bulls, the main suitors are believed to be Miami, Detroit, New Jersey and possibly Portland. -- Arlington Heights Daily Herald
# Stoudemire has been the subject of trade rumors linking him with several teams, including the Detroit Pistons.
"It's part of the job," Stoudemire said. "Some years, you have to deal with trade rumors and some years, you don't. It's just part of the trade."
As far as the talk about him and the Pistons, Stoudemire said, "I try not to focus on anything but the game, but I hear all the scenarios. It's nice to see that good teams are interested in you." -- Booth Newspapers
# The Warriors have thrown their hat into the ring for Suns All-Star PF Amare Stoudemire, who is available if the NBA insider scuttle is to be believed. According to a team source, the Warriors have and likely will continue to have talks with the Suns about a deal. -- Contra Costa Times
# Apparently, the talk revved up today and the Warriors were either in direct contact with the Suns or the Warriors' executives were telling other teams that they were.
Either way, the Warriors want in on the Stoudemire discussion, and if they don't get him by the Feb. 19 trade deadline, most NBA sources presume that they will try to get involved with any other available young power forward/center, if they aren't already.
That, the source cautioned, does not mean that the Suns are intrigued and it definitely doesn't mean that the Warriors are a top candidate for Stoudemire, who can opt-out of his contract in the summer of 2010. -- San Jose Mercury News
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Posted 09 February 2009 - 08:43 AM
Here's a good little scenario rumour builder
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...scenario-090207
This would be very interesting...
Potential trades for Shaq
LAKERS: Lamar Odom, Chris Mihm and D.J. Mbenga
• See this trade in the ESPN Trade Machine
Why they'd do it: Yes, the breakup between the Lakers and Shaq was messy. But Phil Jackson has always loved Shaq, and with Andrew Bynum out for a while, L.A. could use someone who could step in and play immediately in the middle. Besides, it would be the best story of the year.
The Suns need cap space, and this deal would save them a whopping $21 million next year after all the expiring contracts in the deal come off the books
Why they wouldn't: The Shaq-Kobe dynamic could capsize the season, especially if their interpersonal drama is re-ignited. Whenever Bynum returns from being injured, there would be a serious logjam in the middle.
And things are going pretty well for the Lakers. Do they need to make this drastic a move?
There would be no downside for the Suns. In fact, I think they'll move Shaq to any team that can give them cap space -- even the Lakers. And yes, this is an admission that, on second thought, that Shaq deal wasn't such a great move.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...scenario-090207
This would be very interesting...
Potential trades for Shaq
LAKERS: Lamar Odom, Chris Mihm and D.J. Mbenga
• See this trade in the ESPN Trade Machine
Why they'd do it: Yes, the breakup between the Lakers and Shaq was messy. But Phil Jackson has always loved Shaq, and with Andrew Bynum out for a while, L.A. could use someone who could step in and play immediately in the middle. Besides, it would be the best story of the year.
The Suns need cap space, and this deal would save them a whopping $21 million next year after all the expiring contracts in the deal come off the books
Why they wouldn't: The Shaq-Kobe dynamic could capsize the season, especially if their interpersonal drama is re-ignited. Whenever Bynum returns from being injured, there would be a serious logjam in the middle.
And things are going pretty well for the Lakers. Do they need to make this drastic a move?
There would be no downside for the Suns. In fact, I think they'll move Shaq to any team that can give them cap space -- even the Lakers. And yes, this is an admission that, on second thought, that Shaq deal wasn't such a great move.
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Posted 09 February 2009 - 08:46 AM
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 12:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't expect Luol Deng, Kirk Hinrich or Ben Gordon to be included in any trade.
I don't know why they wouldn't get rid of one of them...they got so many good small players that added a great big would help them so much. I guess it's a buyers market out there.
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Posted 09 February 2009 - 09:12 AM
I don't see Shaq going back to LA, they are playing fine even without Bynum.
More from ESPN rumor central....
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With the trade deadline less than two weeks away, the rumors are increasing, and several possible deals involve Hornets starting center Tyson Chandler.
However, Hornets GM Jeff Bower declined Sunday to say whom they might be shopping or could have an interest in obtaining before the Feb. 19 trade deadline.
Bower did say he has made a number of phone calls and has received several inquires from general managers.
The latest rumor has Chandler going to the Miami Heat in exchange for power forward Shawn Marion, whose $17.1 million contract expires at the end of this season.
More from ESPN rumor central....
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With the trade deadline less than two weeks away, the rumors are increasing, and several possible deals involve Hornets starting center Tyson Chandler.
However, Hornets GM Jeff Bower declined Sunday to say whom they might be shopping or could have an interest in obtaining before the Feb. 19 trade deadline.
Bower did say he has made a number of phone calls and has received several inquires from general managers.
The latest rumor has Chandler going to the Miami Heat in exchange for power forward Shawn Marion, whose $17.1 million contract expires at the end of this season.
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Posted 09 February 2009 - 10:03 AM
QUOTE (Jadaki @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 1:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't see Shaq going back to LA, they are playing fine even without Bynum.
More from ESPN rumor central....
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With the trade deadline less than two weeks away, the rumors are increasing, and several possible deals involve Hornets starting center Tyson Chandler.
However, Hornets GM Jeff Bower declined Sunday to say whom they might be shopping or could have an interest in obtaining before the Feb. 19 trade deadline.
Bower did say he has made a number of phone calls and has received several inquires from general managers.
The latest rumor has Chandler going to the Miami Heat in exchange for power forward Shawn Marion, whose $17.1 million contract expires at the end of this season.
More from ESPN rumor central....
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With the trade deadline less than two weeks away, the rumors are increasing, and several possible deals involve Hornets starting center Tyson Chandler.
However, Hornets GM Jeff Bower declined Sunday to say whom they might be shopping or could have an interest in obtaining before the Feb. 19 trade deadline.
Bower did say he has made a number of phone calls and has received several inquires from general managers.
The latest rumor has Chandler going to the Miami Heat in exchange for power forward Shawn Marion, whose $17.1 million contract expires at the end of this season.
wow, West at C and Marion at PF would be pretty sick...I'm surprised how well NO has done considering Chandler has been sucking big time or hurt this year
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Posted 09 February 2009 - 01:05 PM
mmmmmm......wade and stoudamire. I could live with losing Beasley for that.
Tyson Chandler? I suppose that is not the worst trade ever for the Heat. If he has a huge contract then I dont like it that much.
Tyson Chandler? I suppose that is not the worst trade ever for the Heat. If he has a huge contract then I dont like it that much.
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QUOTE (fleung22 @ Monday, February 9th, 2009, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's a good little scenario rumour builder
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...scenario-090207
This would be very interesting...
Potential trades for Shaq
LAKERS: Lamar Odom, Chris Mihm and D.J. Mbenga
• See this trade in the ESPN Trade Machine
Why they'd do it: Yes, the breakup between the Lakers and Shaq was messy. But Phil Jackson has always loved Shaq, and with Andrew Bynum out for a while, L.A. could use someone who could step in and play immediately in the middle. Besides, it would be the best story of the year.
The Suns need cap space, and this deal would save them a whopping $21 million next year after all the expiring contracts in the deal come off the books
Why they wouldn't: The Shaq-Kobe dynamic could capsize the season, especially if their interpersonal drama is re-ignited. Whenever Bynum returns from being injured, there would be a serious logjam in the middle.
And things are going pretty well for the Lakers. Do they need to make this drastic a move?
There would be no downside for the Suns. In fact, I think they'll move Shaq to any team that can give them cap space -- even the Lakers. And yes, this is an admission that, on second thought, that Shaq deal wasn't such a great move.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...scenario-090207
This would be very interesting...
Potential trades for Shaq
LAKERS: Lamar Odom, Chris Mihm and D.J. Mbenga
• See this trade in the ESPN Trade Machine
Why they'd do it: Yes, the breakup between the Lakers and Shaq was messy. But Phil Jackson has always loved Shaq, and with Andrew Bynum out for a while, L.A. could use someone who could step in and play immediately in the middle. Besides, it would be the best story of the year.
The Suns need cap space, and this deal would save them a whopping $21 million next year after all the expiring contracts in the deal come off the books
Why they wouldn't: The Shaq-Kobe dynamic could capsize the season, especially if their interpersonal drama is re-ignited. Whenever Bynum returns from being injured, there would be a serious logjam in the middle.
And things are going pretty well for the Lakers. Do they need to make this drastic a move?
There would be no downside for the Suns. In fact, I think they'll move Shaq to any team that can give them cap space -- even the Lakers. And yes, this is an admission that, on second thought, that Shaq deal wasn't such a great move.
you've lost your freaking mind if you think thats even a one in a million chance.
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QUOTE (SuitedAces21 @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 8:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
the team that really needs to go for Amare is Detriot. send AI. makes perfect sense to me.
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how about Portland?
how's a starting line-up with Roy, Amare, and Aldridge? they could trade any of Oden, Outlaw, Fernandez.
maybe it's the fantasy team but I'm becoming a fan of the Blazers just because they have Roy. that kid can play!
speaking of fantasy teams...I beat you last week
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 10:59 AM
QUOTE (fleung22 @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 6:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
how about Portland?
how's a starting line-up with Roy, Amare, and Aldridge? they could trade any of Oden, Outlaw, Fernandez.
maybe it's the fantasy team but I'm becoming a fan of the Blazers just because they have Roy. that kid can play!
speaking of fantasy teams...I beat you last week
how's a starting line-up with Roy, Amare, and Aldridge? they could trade any of Oden, Outlaw, Fernandez.
maybe it's the fantasy team but I'm becoming a fan of the Blazers just because they have Roy. that kid can play!
speaking of fantasy teams...I beat you last week
Wow.. Umm... Hmmm.....
Oden Outlaw + Fernandez for Amare + Barbosa (or some stiff to play swing), Lafrentz + Sergio for Richard Jefferson....
Bayless, Blake
Roy, Barbosa (or said stiff)
Jefferson, Webster
Aldridge, Frye
Amare, Przybilla.
Interesting.. But I don't see it happening... Phoenix is only trading Amare to Portland if it gets Lafrentz's contract back in the deal.. Some combo of Frye/Outlaw/Fernandez/Oden would be a dream scenario for a *real* team, but remember PHX were the idiots who sold us Fernandez (and later James Jones and Sergio) for $3 mil a pop... free and clear.. They do silly things in Phoenix, historically giving up the world to free up space to get under that evil, evil, salary cap!
For the Blazers, giving up on Oden would be a PR nightmare... Outlaw is Roy's best friend on the planet.. And for Oden personally, getting the rug pulled out from under him would probably destroy him mentally. Plus Oden doesn't fit into PHXs system.. They'd probably need him for more than the 15 minutes he could stay on the court a night
It's far more likely that Portland moves the Lafrentz contract + change for Richard Jefferson, or works out something for Luol Deng (Pritchard has some man-crush on him).
I'd love to see Amare in Portland, but I don't see it happening, no matter how much we could technically "give" PHX for it.
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whatever angle it is, i am pretty sure it will be obtuse.
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 11:08 AM
I have not seen an Amare scenario that makes more sense than him going to the Heat.
They are not getting even 75 cents on the dollar for him at this point. So, getting Marion's contract back and getting a young player as talented as Beasley is as good as Phoenix is going to do.
If you are Miami, it is a no brainer obviously. You have two young superstars whose games fit together fine. And you still have Chalmers and Haslem to fill the 1 and the 4 and Cook as the designated shooter for the 3. Piece together a mediocre bench and you contend with that team for years.
They are not getting even 75 cents on the dollar for him at this point. So, getting Marion's contract back and getting a young player as talented as Beasley is as good as Phoenix is going to do.
If you are Miami, it is a no brainer obviously. You have two young superstars whose games fit together fine. And you still have Chalmers and Haslem to fill the 1 and the 4 and Cook as the designated shooter for the 3. Piece together a mediocre bench and you contend with that team for years.
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 11:25 AM
QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 1:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For the Blazers, giving up on Oden would be a PR nightmare... And for Oden personally, getting the rug pulled out from under him would probably destroy him mentally. Plus Oden doesn't fit into PHXs system.. They'd probably need him for more than the 15 minutes he could stay on the court a night
I'd love to see Amare in Portland, but I don't see it happening, no matter how much we could technically "give" PHX for it.
I'd love to see Amare in Portland, but I don't see it happening, no matter how much we could technically "give" PHX for it.
Portland wouldn’t trade Oden for Amare straight up, much less Oden+. Do you think Portland drafted Oden for his offense? He’s there for rebounding and defense first and foremost and if he gets more than 15 points, that’s a bonus. So they’re not trading a difference-maker on defense for possibly the worst defender in the league, just because they obtain a big-time scorer.
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 12:18 PM
Here is my trade proposal for him
Kings Send:
5 Bobby Brown
8 Quincy Douby
32 Francisco Garcia
20 Donte Greene
31 Spencer Hawes
24 Bobby Jackson
23 Kevin Martin
52 Brad Miller C
33 Mikki Moore
15 John Salmons
9 Kenny Thomas F
34 Jason Thompson
19 Beno Udrih G
22 Shelden Williams
Phoenix Sends:
Amare Stoudemire + 12 guys they recruit at a local phoenix playground.
Kings Send:
5 Bobby Brown
8 Quincy Douby
32 Francisco Garcia
20 Donte Greene
31 Spencer Hawes
24 Bobby Jackson
23 Kevin Martin
52 Brad Miller C
33 Mikki Moore
15 John Salmons
9 Kenny Thomas F
34 Jason Thompson
19 Beno Udrih G
22 Shelden Williams
Phoenix Sends:
Amare Stoudemire + 12 guys they recruit at a local phoenix playground.
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Posted 10 February 2009 - 01:27 PM
QUOTE (CindyLou @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 11:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Portland wouldn’t trade Oden for Amare straight up, much less Oden+. Do you think Portland drafted Oden for his offense? He’s there for rebounding and defense first and foremost and if he gets more than 15 points, that’s a bonus. So they’re not trading a difference-maker on defense for possibly the worst defender in the league, just because they obtain a big-time scorer.
Oden doesn't stay on the floor long enough to make a difference on either end.
Regardless, you are right as rain: Portland makes the least sense of all for Amare since they already have Aldridge/Oden/Pryzbilla. We're just one of the few teams with the combo of expiring deals + young cheap talent to make such a deal work. I really expect to see Portland take a run at Jefferson and/or Deng. Portland needs scoring and/or defense from the 3.
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 12:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here is my trade proposal for him
Kings Send:
5 Bobby Brown
8 Quincy Douby
32 Francisco Garcia
20 Donte Greene
31 Spencer Hawes
24 Bobby Jackson
23 Kevin Martin
52 Brad Miller C
33 Mikki Moore
15 John Salmons
9 Kenny Thomas F 34 Jason Thompson
19 Beno Udrih G
22 Shelden Williams
Phoenix Sends:
Amare Stoudemire + 12 guys they recruit at a local phoenix playground.
Kings Send:
5 Bobby Brown
8 Quincy Douby
32 Francisco Garcia
20 Donte Greene
31 Spencer Hawes
24 Bobby Jackson
23 Kevin Martin
52 Brad Miller C
33 Mikki Moore
15 John Salmons
9 Kenny Thomas F 34 Jason Thompson
19 Beno Udrih G
22 Shelden Williams
Phoenix Sends:
Amare Stoudemire + 12 guys they recruit at a local phoenix playground.
No way you get rid of Thomas's contract that easily! <ducks>
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whatever angle it is, i am pretty sure it will be obtuse.
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QUOTE (Cappy37 @ Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
or works out something for Luol Deng (Pritchard has some man-crush on him).
One time.
QUOTE (dscoot @ Friday, April 10th, 2009, 3:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
im still not sold that many of these people that get these big online scores are winners when it comes to the live game, which, by the way, is real poker.
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