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[brvheart]

http://www.buffalone...ory/570428.html

[checkymcfold]

i'm pretty sure that all doctors that perform abortions have done this at least twice. don't sweat it.alternatively, if you don't want to sweat it, you could choose to understand that this article has literally nothing to do with the abortion procedure, beyond the fact that a doctor didn't do what was asked of him, which happened to be an abortion procedure.nice thread title, though.

[strategy]

checkymcfold, on Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 11:39 PM, said:

i'm pretty sure that all doctors that perform abortions have done this at least twice. don't sweat it.

23 weeks is pretty ridiculously late term, isn't it? this has to have been illegal.

[vbnautilus]

Renelique received his medical training at the State University of Haiti.Guess that's how they do it in Haiti?

[checkymcfold]

strategy, on Friday, February 6th, 2009, 12:51 AM, said:

23 weeks is pretty ridiculously late term, isn't it? this has to have been illegal.

afaik, not even all third trimester abortion procedures are illegal everywhere--just in some states.

[strategy]

checkymcfold, on Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 11:59 PM, said:

afaik, not even all third trimester abortion procedures are illegal everywhere--just in some states.

I still feel that this girl deserves whatever angst she's undoubtedly going through. If there is a line to be drawn for the time scale on abortions, she crossed it.

[checkymcfold]

strategy, on Friday, February 6th, 2009, 1:06 AM, said:

I still feel that this girl deserves whatever angst she's undoubtedly going through. If there is a line to be drawn for the time scale on abortions, she crossed it.

outside cases of rape, i pretty much think that should apply to all cases of anything, abortion included--if you make a decision and aren't willing to address the consequences of that decision, be it having an abortion or creating a horribly misleading thread title, then you're not being a responsible person, plain and simple.that statement doesn't have any bearing on the legality of various procedures, however.

[nutzbuster]

I think this is horrible...wow.

[Zealous Donkey]

brvheart, on Thursday, February 5th, 2009, 11:34 PM, said:

http://www.buffalone...ory/570428.html

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. If she gets there two hours earlier, and has the abortion and the baby is burned with saline, scraped out in 3 or 4 pieces, put in a biohazard bag and thrown away everything is fine. It happens this way and now people are going to be prosecuted. Don't guess I understand. Or even if the baby comes out alive and is set in a soiled linen closet to die and is then put in a biohazard bag and thrown away, that should be fine. Heck president Obama has even said as much. Really don't understand why this is causing such an uproar.

[checkymcfold]

Zealous Donkey, on Friday, February 6th, 2009, 2:25 AM, said:

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. If she gets there two hours earlier, and has the abortion and the baby is burned with saline, scraped out in 3 or 4 pieces, put in a biohazard bag and thrown away everything is fine. It happens this way and now people are going to be prosecuted. Don't guess I understand. Or even if the baby comes out alive and is set in a soiled linen closet to die and is then put in a biohazard bag and thrown away, that should be fine. Heck president Obama has even said as much. Really don't understand why this is causing such an uproar.

medical saline is salt water with salt concentration designed to best match that within the human body. it doesn't burn.

[checkymcfold]

Zealous Donkey, on Friday, February 6th, 2009, 2:25 AM, said:

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. If she gets there two hours earlier, and has the abortion and the baby is burned with saline, scraped out in 3 or 4 pieces, put in a biohazard bag and thrown away everything is fine. It happens this way and now people are going to be prosecuted. Don't guess I understand. Or even if the baby comes out alive and is set in a soiled linen closet to die and is then put in a biohazard bag and thrown away, that should be fine. Heck president Obama has even said as much. Really don't understand why this is causing such an uproar.

medical saline is salt water with salt concentration designed to best match that within the human body. it doesn't burn.so right i said twice, albeit by accident.

[Zealous Donkey]

checkymcfold, on Friday, February 6th, 2009, 1:56 AM, said:

medical saline is salt water with salt concentration designed to best match that within the human body. it doesn't burn.so right i said twice, albeit by accident.

Sorry, I used the wrong word. I have had saline IVs and have contactlens solution. Whatever is used to burn babies to death during abortions is what I was talking about. Whatever they use does ****ing burn. I have seen pictures, and there are scarred survivors.

[HubDub04]

Legalized abortion is one of the biggest disgraces that the human race has ever come to somewhat "accept".Anyone who thinks abortion should be legal is a total heartless piece of trash who has no regard for human life.

[navybuttons]

HubDub04, on Friday, February 6th, 2009, 12:29 AM, said:

Legalized abortion is one of the biggest disgraces that the human race has ever come to somewhat "accept".

we're not a race, we're a species. we seem to be constantly evolving. "accept," like most terms, doesn't mean anything, so it evolves too.

HubDub04, on Friday, February 6th, 2009, 12:29 AM, said:

Anyone who thinks abortion should be legal is a total heartless piece of trash who has no regard for human life.

Sources?

[jampack84]

Any woman responding in this thread yet??Well, I'm a woman and I believe in FREEDOM OF CHOICE!!!!!!!Here in Wisconsin a mother who is just 21 and has 5 kids already, let her 2 month old baby starve to death. Whats more humane?? Or inhumane?? I have no idea if abortion was even an option to her. But I'd rather see someone like that NOT have a child (she should be spade to be honest) than to have one and torture it for 2 months.I dont however think abortion should be a form of birth control. I am against that. We should have better sex education courses in middle school and high school....

[Sal Paradise]

so at what age would you recommend we stop allowing women to kill their babies? 2 years is too long but six months is fine, we got that much. seven months ok? is it ok to kill it as long as it's still inside the mother? outside but below eight months? I'm a bit confused.

[checkymcfold]

Sal Paradise, on Friday, February 6th, 2009, 8:11 AM, said:

so at what age would you recommend we stop allowing women to kill their babies? 2 years is too long but six months is fine, we got that much. seven months ok? is it ok to kill it as long as it's still inside the mother? outside but below eight months? I'm a bit confused.

it's got to be in that there bible somewhere. keep looking.i'm not sure if you're being facetious or not, but an important point to make is that people that are pro choice are never, ever (outside of legit lunatics) for the idea of abortion as such. personally, i would never advise someone directly that an abortion was the best course of action for them, but i don't think myself (quite) arrogant enough to presume that i knew enough about the world and life to be confident in making that decision for everyone, always and forever.

[Sal Paradise]

checkymcfold, on Friday, February 6th, 2009, 8:37 AM, said:

it's got to be in that there bible somewhere. keep looking.

not sure what the bible has to do with killing a person. I thought you were a science guy anyways? what's your opinion?

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An autopsy determined Williams' baby - she named her Shanice - had filled her lungs with air, meaning she had been born alive, according to the Department of Health.

so I mean, it was a living baby, and you said you were ok with this situation, so at what point is it ok to kill a baby?

[checkymcfold]

Sal Paradise, on Friday, February 6th, 2009, 8:43 AM, said:

not sure what the bible has to do with killing a person. I thought you were a science guy anyways? what's your opinion?

i happen to think that i'm no more or less alive than a rock, since the word "alive" is a bit, well, silly to me, but i'm well aware that that's not a majority opinion.

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so I mean, it was a living baby, and you said you were ok with this situation, so at what point is it ok to kill a baby?

i never said i was "ok with this situation," but rather that it had nothing to do with abortion procedures or the abortion debate at all beyond whatever sort of synapse misfirings happened within the woman's head who cut the cord and threw the baby out like it was garbage, and i don't tend to take associations made by those sorts of people into account when i'm analyzing an issue.the long and short of it is that this story has NOTHING to do with abortion as it's meant in contemporary political debate, except that the mother in question wanted to have one, an abortion clinic and doctor made a horrific error (though not altogether different in kind from the more horrible malpractice cases out there), and that abortion is a hot button issue that the writer of that article wanted to use to make her story more exciting. i'd suggest that the whole article speaks more to shoddy journalistic practice than the case it's describing speaks to the abortion debate. unfortunately, the OP didn't notice that as well.

[Sal Paradise]

well by "don't sweat it" I assumed you meant that it wasn't a big deal to you, forgive me for my misunderstanding. but the article does have quite a bit to do with abortion procedures. it seems that the abortion was perfectly legal and acceptable as long as the baby was still inside the mother, but when it came out it was some horrible mistake to kill it. what changed in those couple minutes? that's the main point. is a baby not human until it actually leaves the mother's body?also, ignoring the facts presented in the article with the guise of it being poorly written seems a bit silly to me.