103 replies to this topic

[El Guapo]

What would you do if you had a vote on this proposed bill.

Mods, please leave here for a bit and then go ahead and move it to the politics forum.

[LadyGrey]

I would vote no because it is full of stupid junk that is unrelated to the economy, and it probably won't make any difference just like the first bailout.

[Nikki_N]

I'm all for no bailing out. Let the companies go bankrupt.

[brvheart]

I would vote no because it is full of stupid junk that is unrelated to the economy, and it probably won't make any difference just like the first bailout.

How does a snobby pinko liberal English WOMAN understand this, but not our elected democrat leaders?

My brain has a stomach ache.

[strategy]

How does a snobby pinko liberal English WOMAN understand this, but not our elected democrat leaders?

My brain has a stomach ache.

her and I have a lot of political discussions.

although it might help my financials-heavy portfolio if it passes. DING!

[SuitedAces21]

How does a snobby pinko liberal English WOMAN understand this, but not our elected democrat leaders?

My brain has a stomach ache.

they've been spoon fed for to long. cant think for themselves anymore.

[brvheart]

her and I have a lot of political discussions.

although it might help my financials-heavy portfolio if it passes. DING!

Oh, that makes sense. I was really confused by that.

[Mercury69]

Where is the "Playing with my penis" option?

[LongLiveYorke]

Okay, I orginally intended to post the following list (from Wikipedia), write "Things I like in the bill" and remove the parts that I didn't like. But I couldn't find any. So, there. If you're really concerned over a few hundred million here or there, you're crazy. And if you cite the $50 million for the endowment of the arts as a knock against the bill, you're very crazy.

* Tax cuts ($275 billion):
o Payroll tax cuts ($500 for each individual, $1000 for couples)
o $2500 tax credit for higher education
o $7500 non-repayable tax credit for first-time home buyers (for houses bought until July 1)

* Education investments ($141.6 billion):
o $79 billion in state fiscal relief to prevent cutbacks to key services, including $39 billion to local school districts and public colleges and universities distributed through existing state and federal formulas, $15 billion to states as bonus grants as a reward for meeting key performance measures, and $25 billion to states for other high priority needs such as public safety and other critical services, which may include education
o $41 billion to local school districts through Title I ($13 billion), IDEA ($13 billion), a new School Modernization and Repair Program ($14 billion), and the Education Technology program ($1 billion)
o $15.6 billion to increase the Pell Grant by $500
o $6 billion for higher education modernization

* Health care investments ($112.1 billion):
o $87 billion for a temporary increase in the Medicaid matching rate for the states
o $20 billion for health information technology, including electronic medical records to prevent medical mistakes, provide better care to patients and introduce cost-saving efficiencies
o $4.1 billion to provide for preventative care and to evaluate the most effective healthcare treatments.

* Welfare/unemployment ($102 billion):
o $43 billion for unemployment benefits and job training
o $39 billion for short-term Medicaid insurance and Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985 (COBRA) subsidy
o $20 billion for the Food Stamp Program

* Infrastructure investments ($90 billion):
o $31 billion to modernize federal and other public infrastructure with investments that lead to long-term energy cost savings
o $30 billion for highway construction
o $19 billion for clean water, flood control, and environmental restoration investments
o $10 billion for transit and rail to reduce traffic congestion and gas consumption

* Energy investments ($58 billion):
o $32 billion funding for an electric smart grid
o $20 billion for renewable energy tax cuts
o $6 billion for weatherizing modest-income homes

[WageSlave]

I didn't vote because I haven't looked at anything comprehensive about the proposal (you may want to include a link or something Guaps). I haven't gone much out of my way to read this because I figure pass or fail the middle class gets screwed.


Also, I second Merc's motion.

[brvheart]

Okay, I orginally intended to post the following list (from Wikipedia), write "Things I like in the bill" and remove the parts that I didn't like. But I couldn't find any. So, there. If you're really concerned over a few hundred million here or there, you're crazy. And if you cite the $50 million for the endowment of the arts as a knock against the bill, you're very crazy.

Well, we know that one of us is crazy. It's either you or me.

[SuitedAces21]

the physicist or the dairy queen owner. hmmmmm, i wonder.

[CindyLou]

the physicist or the dairy queen owner. hmmmmm, i wonder.

Could be rephrased as, "the guy who works in theories vs. the guy who owns a business in reality."

[Sal Paradise]

oh snap.



as for the bill, I'm all for it. I mean, that's a lot of money that will do a lot of good in the economy. my only real question is this: why haven't we done this before? I mean, it's so great, shouldn't we be doing this pretty frequently? hell, why not just spend a trillion dollars every month! we'll be the most awesomely rich country in the world!

[SuitedAces21]

Could be rephrased as, "the guy who works in theories vs. the guy who owns a business in reality."

quiet down, hunny. the men folk are talking here.

[speedz99]

I like the bill...I don't know if it will help the economy, but I also think that nobody who posts here is qualified to truly have an idea as to how this economy can be improved as fast as possible. Seriously, nobel fucking laureates can't agree on this shit, and most of them admit that the best they can do is guess...there are way too many variables on such a huge scale to make sweeping generalizations about what will work and what won't. We can all make somewhat educated guesses (which invariably line up with our own interests), but that's about it.

I wonder how often the phrase "nobel fucking laureates" is thrown around.

[SuitedAces21]

I wonder how often the phrase "nobel fucking laureates" is thrown around.

i dont even know what it means and i love it.

[LongLiveYorke]

Well, we know that one of us is crazy. It's either you or me.

What I mean to say is:

If you support everything in the bill except for several hundred million worth of programs, then, for all intents and purposes, you support the bill. If your only gripe is with about a billion or so worth of programs, that's really nothing in comparison to the rest of the bill.

To be against the bill, it means you would prefer to radically change the nature of the package, not to argue over trivial details like STD research that are almost certainly for the better anyway.

If you would double the amount that goes into infrastructure, or you would eliminate any money going to welfare, or you would eliminate the education parts, then you can say you're against the bill. Otherwise, don't waste my time.

I don't like the government wasting money. Fighting tooth and nail over .001% of this package isn't the way to win that war.

[LongLiveYorke]

the physicist or the dairy queen owner. hmmmmm, i wonder.

lol at people thinking I have any idea of what I'm talking about.

[El Guapo]

I like the bill...I don't know if it will help the economy, but I also think that nobody who posts here is qualified to truly have an idea as to how this economy can be improved as fast as possible. Seriously, nobel fucking laureates can't agree on this shit, and most of them admit that the best they can do is guess...there are way too many variables on such a huge scale to make sweeping generalizations about what will work and what won't. We can all make somewhat educated guesses (which invariably line up with our own interests), but that's about it.

I wonder how often the phrase "nobel fucking laureates" is thrown around.

Well I can guarantee giving 300 billion to Welfare, Education and Medicaid will not stimulate the economy at all.