Luke00016 0 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Critiques on every street are appreciated. I keep finding myself in this kind of situation. This was my first hand, didn't have any info on the table and they had nothing on me.Preflop was pretty standard set-mining from the BB, well concealed when it hits. Flop was fairly safe, if a tiny bit drawy. I checked to see what villain would do and see if the turn made the board dangerous.Turn was basically a blank against against QQ, but I don't think he would have checked an overpair on that board from position. I'm not sure about my betting sizes here, to be honest.River was a value bet. The only hands that card completes are draw hands that I don't think someone would have raised and then called a 3bet from.Thoughts?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comUTG+1 ($111.05)MP1 ($25.25)MP2 ($145.20)MP3 ($101.10)CO ($100)Button ($60.80)SB ($513.25)Hero (BB) ($102.90)UTG ($21.50)Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 75 folds, CO raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2Flop: ($6.50) 7, 10, 4(2 players)Hero checks, CO checksTurn: ($6.50) Q(2 players)Hero bets $3, CO raises to $10, Hero raises to $27, CO calls $17River: ($60.50) 3(2 players)Hero bets $26, CO raises to $70 (All-In), Hero calls $44Total pot: $200.50 | Rake: $3 Link to post Share on other sites
dizzlerock 0 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Probiably not qualified to make a comment since i dont play this high. i would bet flop and probably shove turn after villian raises. I just dont know what makes the only thing i ca n think of is AcKc, AcJc or KcJc. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I bet more on the turn because of the all the draws that are out there. $4.5-$5. If he then raises to $14-$15, you could raise pot to $47+ and basically you're all in on the river.As played, I check/call any reasonable bet on the river as the FD got there. I'm a bit nitty so I'd check/fold to a shove. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 I bet more on the turn because of the all the draws that are out there. $4.5-$5. If he then raises to $14-$15, you could raise pot to $47+ and basically you're all in on the river.As played, I check/call any reasonable bet on the river as the FD got there. I'm a bit nitty so I'd check/fold to a shove.This. I know why you checked the flop, but don't be so trappy trappy. Just get the value out of your hands when it's there. I think you prob have to pay this off cause it's missed hearts or QT for two pair or total air a lot. Link to post Share on other sites
Luke00016 0 Posted February 3, 2009 Author Share Posted February 3, 2009 This. I know why you checked the flop, but don't be so trappy trappy. Just get the value out of your hands when it's there. I think you prob have to pay this off cause it's missed hearts or QT for two pair or total air a lot.I'm not sure I was being super trappy. It feels like a good spot to be in, flopping a set from the big blind is very concealed. I wonder if I could have executed it a lot better by 3betting much heavier?It felt like a relatively dry board on the flop and checking to let an overcard come to let something like AK or AQ catch up and then snap that three bet trap. What do you think? Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I'm not sure I was being super trappy. It feels like a good spot to be in, flopping a set from the big blind is very concealed. I wonder if I could have executed it a lot better by 3betting much heavier?It felt like a relatively dry board on the flop and checking to let an overcard come to let something like AK or AQ catch up and then snap that three bet trap. What do you think?That flop contains a lot of draws especially since you have no history with villain. Coming from the CO, his range includes a lot of connectors that open up SD possibilities as well as the FD. Since there are no high cards on the flop, it's likely that two overcards would check behind so I rather like betting that flop plus a lot of players will think you're weak donk leading the flop and would put in a raise. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 1 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Bet $5 on the turn. As played I like your 3bet size.I don't see the river as a scare card. Given that he called a turn 3bet he likes his hand. I either shove the river or bet $40 depending.I think check calling this river would be a huge error. If you really think flushes make up that much of his range check/fold. Otherwise, just shove or bet/call. Link to post Share on other sites
Solar 0 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I play similar. Like everyone else I bet a little more on the turn, probably 4.5Sure he shows up with TT or a flush occasionally but you're way ahead of his range. Weird spot, no idea what he could have for this line, no hand makes much sense. Makes it even more likely you're ahead. Link to post Share on other sites
MaxStPolish 4 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I'm okay with the flop check. It works great for you as the turn throws up a relative blank. Plus you bet out and get raised by the villian, which is great. I think the re-raise you throw out is fine. I think the villian's line reeks of a guy with Ax clubs IMO on 4th street (w/ X being a pair or K)...but without knowing anything you could just as easily be up against AA-KK, Q10, a cuople hearts, maybe even a goosey AQ. Really tough first hand hand. I feel like he is even more difficult to put you on a range right now. I call the raise on the river, as I think that long term you'll be winning more than you lose with this call.Totally agree with simo above though....if you think flushes make up that much of his range, check/fold this river....but you should be pretty darn confident about that though...which i think is hard 1st hand in the table. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 I don't think you ever win here, but we really can't fold our set when there's so much $ in the pot already. We may be able to find a fold though because we played the turn so lightly. He has either TT or a AcKc type hand. His line is strong, and it screams a flush. Check behind with overs OTF; raise a big draw; call in position with the hopes of hitting; hit, shove.Simo, why do you like the 3-bet size? I'd think a bigger 3-bet, like $35, would be better, as it'd help us to get more money on the river. If he's calling $27 then he's calling $35. Of course, a larger turn bet goes a long way toward accomplishing that, too. Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Erased 0 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Bet $5 on the turn. As played I like your 3bet size.I don't see the river as a scare card. Given that he called a turn 3bet he likes his hand. I either shove the river or bet $40 depending.I think check calling this river would be a huge error. If you really think flushes make up that much of his range check/fold. Otherwise, just shove or bet/call. Link to post Share on other sites
Sens-Eh 0 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Preflop was pretty standard set-mining from the BB, well concealed when it hits.which will be 1 time in 8 1/2 tries and your likely to pick up his initial bet plus a c-bet very likely - maybe about 4 times his bet at best if you average in the odd guy that gives you some extra....this is the condensed way of saying, you shouldn't play your baby pairs from the blinds like that. 3bet a late position raiser preflop - fold to early position raiser.....Nobody else mentioned this street so I will... Link to post Share on other sites
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