Shorthanded Problems

[babyelephant 0]

these types of situations have been coming up a lot lately. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $3.00+$0.25 Tournament, 600/1200 Blinds 75 Ante (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO (t3350)Button (t12920)SB (t4820)BB (t16185)UTG (t10705)MP (t19520)Button's M: 5.74Preflop:2 folds, CO raises to t3275 (All-In)Hero?What range or hands would you call with here? How about if you doubled my stack?

[NonZeroPossibility 0]

Depends.... Is hero button? Has this guy been shoving a lot? Have the blinds been calling a lot?

[babyelephant 0]

Depends.... Is hero button? Has this guy been shoving a lot? Have the blinds been calling a lot?

Hero is buttonalmost all pots have been open shoved. I honestly don't remember if this specific guy had shoved yet or not.

[Gallo 1]

What does Hero have?

[outsider13 0]

This guy's shove should be VERY wide, the only problem here is the 2 left to act, one who has you covered. If it were blind vs. blind, it's almost an instacall with pretty much anything. I tend to be a little more careful in these spots, assuming the bubble is close. AT+, KQ+, 55+. Something like that. I never flat, iso shove only seeing as you have a stack big enough to scare off some better hands in the blinds.

[babyelephant 0]

Hero had A7 of diamondsthis hand was at the final table of 45 man turbo. we are in the money but barelywith the hand and the situation would anybody consider shoving without a real solid read on the raiser?

[babyelephant 0]

This guy's shove should be VERY wide, the only problem here is the 2 left to act, one who has you covered. If it were blind vs. blind, it's almost an instacall with pretty much anything. I tend to be a little more careful in these spots, assuming the bubble is close. AT+, KQ+, 55+. Something like that. I never flat, iso shove only seeing as you have a stack big enough to scare off some better hands in the blinds.

just making sure i understand what your sayingif i'm going to play the hand iso shove?

[outsider13 0]

just making sure i understand what your sayingif i'm going to play the hand iso shove?

Yes. Say you have AT for instance. Your hand should be way ahead of CO's shoving range. You also have enough fold equity to push the blinds off their hands too. If you flat, you have a higher possibility of playing multiway or getting overshoved by the BB, which of course sucks.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Yes. Say you have AT for instance. Your hand should be way ahead of CO's shoving range. You also have enough fold equity to push the blinds off their hands too. If you flat, you have a higher possibility of playing multiway or getting overshoved by the BB, which of course sucks.

I have to disagree that flatting would be bad here unless we have JJ+ AQ+. CO's AI represents a fair portion of BB's stack, so even with your call he's not going to reshove hardly anything that he wouldn't have called you with if you shoved (I think maybe he lays down 77-99 and KQ to your reshove, that he would've called if you flatted, maaaaybe). I think with the blinds so high, reshoving should be just as much for value if SB or BB come along, so I'm probably not doing it with worse than 1010.A7 is a snapcall for me. I would probably call CO with K10+, A5+ (any suited ace) and 44+.All this assuming no read on CO.

[DonkSlayer 1]

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[DonkSlayer 1]

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[outsider13 0]

I have to disagree that flatting would be bad here unless we have JJ+ AQ+. CO's AI represents a fair portion of BB's stack, so even with your call he's not going to reshove hardly anything that he wouldn't have called you with if you shoved (I think maybe he lays down 77-99 and KQ to your reshove, that he would've called if you flatted, maaaaybe). I think with the blinds so high, reshoving should be just as much for value if SB or BB come along, so I'm probably not doing it with worse than 1010.A7 is a snapcall for me. I would probably call CO with K10+, A5+ (any suited ace) and 44+.All this assuming no read on CO.

The problem with flatting here with marginal hands (weak A, KT) is you are giving far too good of a price, especially to the SB who only has 4bb himself. If you flat and get a SB shove or a BB flat, are you folding here with only a psb left regardless of the flop? These types of hands suck in multiway pots. We only have 10bb here. It's pretty much shove/fold time. I think the shove looks stronger and will likely get you less company in the hand.

[Merby 3]

these types of situations have been coming up a lot lately. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $3.00+$0.25 Tournament, 600/1200 Blinds 75 Ante (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO (t3350)Button (t12920)SB (t4820)BB (t16185)UTG (t10705)MP (t19520)Button's M: 5.74Preflop:2 folds, CO raises to t3275 (All-In)Hero?What range or hands would you call with here? How about if you doubled my stack?

It's important to note that the average M at this table is exactly 5, so every stack is desperate. You cannot wait for too premium a hand here to overpush (...and by the way: pushing all in >>>>> calling the CO all in).The CO is so short stacked that he doesn't have much FE here, but keep in mind that the SB is also desparate and will have a wide calling range here and the BB has you covered, so obviously, this isn't a time to get too fancy.Just push all in with a moderate-strong range (something like 66+, AT+, KQ, KT(s)+, and A8(s)+ feels about right) and fold everything else. I'm not at home, otherwise pokerstove could hone in the answer a little better...

[jmbreslin 0]

You can't flat call here for 25% of your stack, especially since SB will push if he's going to play, which means Hero will end up calling for 1/3 of his total stack. That's terrible.Since the bubble has already broken I'd probably take a shot and push here. Most likely you'll end up either (1) heads-up against shortie; or (2) in a 3-way with both shorties. BB is not going to get involved without a strong hand. Assuming (1) or (2) holds true, the worst-case scenario is you lose but still have about 8000 chips. Best case scenario is you knock out 2 players and increase your stack by about 75%.

[Merby 3]

You can't flat call here for 25% of your stack, especially since SB will push if he's going to play, which means Hero will end up calling for 1/3 of his total stack. That's terrible.Since the bubble has already broken I'd probably take a shot and push here. Most likely you'll end up either (1) heads-up against shortie; or (2) in a 3-way with both shorties. BB is not going to get involved without a strong hand. Assuming (1) or (2) holds true, the worst-case scenario is you lose but still have about 8000 chips. Best case scenario is you knock out 2 players and increase your stack by about 75%.

...With ATC?What's your hand range for pushing?

[Gallo 1]

...With ATC?What's your hand range for pushing?

I think you can push with a wide range here. Almost as wide as the CO, tbh. Not saying ATC, but pretty wide, I think. I'm probably even shoving some suited connectors here as well. But that's me.

[jmbreslin 0]

...With ATC?What's your hand range for pushing?

I'm definitely not pushing ATC, it would have to be a hand with some showdown value. A7s is probably at the bottom of Aces I'd push but I'd agree with Gallo about including suited connectors, maybe down to T9s or so.If stacks were a bit deeper at this point I'd be more selective but we have a situation where everyone is quite short relative to the blinds and the bubble has already broken, and it is highly unlikely that Hero's tourney life would be put on the line with a push here. It's worth pointing out that the chip leader himself has an M of only 8.67, so it's basically an all-in fest at this point (one reason why I stopped playing turbo 45's).

[outsider13 0]

Yeah, I wouldn't push ATC, mostly because of the SB is so short and the BB has me covered. Like I said up in one of my other posts, something like AT+, KQ+, 55+, probably a bit looser.

[Gallo 1]

Yeah, I wouldn't push ATC, mostly because of the SB is so short and the BB has me covered. Like I said up in one of my other posts, something like AT+, KQ+, 55+, probably a bit looser.

Are we not shoving light because it would ruin our image? If we are, we really shouldn't care. I mean, I don't mind shoving like J10 or K9 or something weakish like that.

[outsider13 0]

Are we not shoving light because it would ruin our image? If we are, we really shouldn't care. I mean, I don't mind shoving like J10 or K9 or something weakish like that.

I'm not shoving light because I don't like the thought of our hand in a 3 way pot with a semi strong hand. At this point, yeah, I wouldn't be too worried about image.

[Gallo 1]

I'm not shoving light because I don't like the thought of our hand in a 3 way pot with a semi strong hand. At this point, yeah, I wouldn't be too worried about image.

I've seen some top internet MTT pros shove kinda light in these spots because of chip accumulation and because the shortstack is shoving so wide here most of the time and a shove is better against our range because obv a hand that we shove light doesn't play well against multiple players. Whatever we shove is either ahead of the shortstack's shove or we have live cards. I'm not saying to shove ATC, just saying that we can probably iso-shove here with a wide range as well.

[TrueAce13 18]

If we shove here, does it really look like an iso play. Especially at these limits, is anyone actually paying attention to the shove? I think we can shove a wider range here b/c CO is shoving a wide range as well. I don't have stove on this computer, I'm using the GF's...but can someone stove this and see the equity?