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[JaysonWeber]

I know this might seem straightforward... But im trying to find out if a few things I "think" are straightforward really are... So here it goes. 1/2 6-MaxJayson is SB Q 10 :spade:Button CallsJayson RaisesBB CallsButton CallsI know some might dislike this raise, But the Button player and BB are both Loosey Goosey... I might have gotten carried away.FlopJ:spade: 9:club: 2:diamond: Jayson BetsBB CallsButton FoldsI know this is standard... I'd be interested if anyone would ever do anything else here? 4:diamond:Jayson Bets...This is where my question really lies... So, I bet here 100% of the time. Is this -EV or is the fold value on a random player high enough to make it worth the Raise? If they call I have to Figure I'm beat here. I have 10 outs at this point not very promising if I get called or re-raised here.Counting 8 for OESD, and 2 for the Q and the 10 (I figure the 10 won't win it everytime if I'm called down, but enough for a .5... My counting get's a little wierd sometimes)

[dms26]

Of course I'd bet the flop, it was a good one for you.On the turn I would probably bet because they've shown no strength, but it also depends on how loose they are post flop, do they call down with ace high or pocket dueces? If so, I think I'd take a free card since they probably won't bet unless they have top pair.

[Makata]

As you said yourself pre-flop raise was a bit off. Even against the perfect opponent I still dislike the raise. Never ever raise (regardless of your opponent type) if there is no chance it will get a fold and you are not an overwhelming favorite to win.Also, even if you put a T on 0.5, that's 8 from OE, 3 from Q's, and 1.5 from T's, for 12.5 outs. So flop bet is correct.However I would check turn. The board is relatively unhelpful to most pre-flop raise hands, so I doubt the BB would be impressed enough to fold, and you're certainly not an overwhelming favorite. This would be a perfect chance to pick up a free card, and showing weakness is really not a big concern at this point. Unless he's on a lower draw, such as T8, you aren't going to be winning this pot with Q high, so if your river doesn't hit you're going to be folding anyway. If it does hit, you were probably only getting 1 bet out of him anyway. Thus checking gives you the chance of taking a free card, plus you won't have to invest 2 bets on a draw if he really has a hand and was waiting for the turn to raise.

[wrto4556]

The raise preflop is fine. I wouldn't do it 100% of the time because its read dependent.Flop and turn are standard.

[Frills]

Looks fine, keep betting there.You've hammered him every street, if I was in his position I would start getting worried about AA KK

[TheIceman05]

Makata said:

As you said yourself pre-flop raise was a bit off. Even against the perfect opponent I still dislike the raise. Never ever raise (regardless of your opponent type) if there is no chance it will get a fold and you are not an overwhelming favorite to win.

This is easily the worst poker advice I have ever EVER heard. I almost threw up in my mouth.Ice

[cdddc75]

TheIceman05 said:

Makata said:

As you said yourself pre-flop raise was a bit off. Even against the perfect opponent I still dislike the raise. Never ever raise (regardless of your opponent type) if there is no chance it will get a fold and you are not an overwhelming favorite to win.

This is easily the worst poker advice I have ever EVER heard. I almost threw up in my mouth.Ice

Me too. That statement implies that you wouldn't raise aces preflop on the button against six limpers.

[Swift_Psycho]

TheIceman05 said:

Makata said:

As you said yourself pre-flop raise was a bit off. Even against the perfect opponent I still dislike the raise. Never ever raise (regardless of your opponent type) if there is no chance it will get a fold and you are not an overwhelming favorite to win.

This is easily the worst poker advice I have ever EVER heard. I almost threw up in my mouth.Ice

I didn't really come that close to vomiting, but I agree that the advice is indeed pretty darn bad.

[avsfan]

I know this might seem straightforward... But im trying to find out if a few things I "think" are straightforward really are... So here it goes. 1/2 6-MaxJayson is SB Q 10 :spade:Button CallsJayson RaisesBB CallsButton CallsI know some might dislike this raise, But the Button player and BB are both Loosey Goosey... I might have gotten carried away.The button limps in. You have Q10 suited. Total raise in this situation. ImhoFlopJ:spade: 9:club: 2:diamond: Jayson BetsBB CallsButton FoldsI know this is standard... I'd be interested if anyone would ever do anything else here?I would bet it. Imho4:diamond:Jayson Bets...This is where my question really lies... So, I bet here 100% of the time.I would bet here. ImhoIs this -EV or is the fold value on a random player high enough to make it worth the Raise? With the flop semi-bluff and draw to the best alone it is justfied. ImhoYou are 4.75-1 on your straight alone when you bet 1 into 4 Bb which Then becomes 5bb. If you get reraised you call 1 more BB on 7 BB. ImhoContinue to apply preasure and make your opponent think. ImhoYou proably have 11 outs possibly 14 outs if you get called on the turn. 8 of you outs are pure evil. ImhoYou have no reason to fear the reraise. ImhoIf they call I have to Figure I'm beat here. I have 10 outs at this point not very promising if I get called or re-raised here. Called all depends. Reraised you :pray: to bust the player up by making your straight draw on the river. ImhoCounting 8 for OESD, and 2 for the Q and the 10 (I figure the 10 won't win it everytime if I'm called down, but enough for a .5... My counting get's a little wierd sometimes)Wierd counting is good counting. Imho.Imho

[wrto4556]

TheIceman05 said:

Makata said:

As you said yourself pre-flop raise was a bit off. Even against the perfect opponent I still dislike the raise. Never ever raise (regardless of your opponent type) if there is no chance it will get a fold and you are not an overwhelming favorite to win.

This is easily the worst poker advice I have ever EVER heard. I almost threw up in my mouth.Ice

No shit.Dude, needs to keep lurking for a little while longer.

[JaysonWeber]

Thanks for the Advice guys, Just had to make sure I was playing it right, Went on a -150 BB Swing the last 2 days online, just looking for a few leaks.

[Patricnz]

(bah)