DonkSlayer, on Sunday, January 4th, 2009, 3:51 PM, said:
What's your point? I'm sure you knew I meant fold "after putting in almost half your stack", but are you getting the correct odds to call against their ranges? Who gives a shyt how much money is in if you aren't getting correct odds to continue?
No, I was seriously asking.I don't believe button is this strong, but against both players ranges of QQ+, AKs, AKo, we're 17.4% So we'd need 4.75ish to 1. Too lazy to do the math right now, and I don't necessarily believe button has to be this strong. He could easily just have a mid pair he doesn't know what to do with here. I'm also not taking into effect the side pots, etc, which probably hurt my case.
LETS GO PITTSBURGH
Zach is right about pretty much everything.
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Hero raises to $3.50, 5 folds, Button calls $3.50, SB raises to $14, 1 fold, Hero raises to $43, Button raises to $81.30 (All-In), SB raises to $157.05 (All-In), reads: BB seems to be solid ABC semi-nitty TAG(around 12/10/2) but I don't have many hands logged with him - maybe 200Button is relatively unknown although his numbers didn't jump out at me as crazy wild over my first 30 hands with him...(i.e. he was playing less then 30% of the pots)Was it a mistake to make my 4 bet? Given that I believed the SB to be solid nitty, his raise of my UTG bet shows mega strength - but surely he could have made the 3 bet with J,J or even 10,10 I am thinking and he could have gotten away from it...Meanwhile the button is in there having called my original raise - there was no reason to believe he was going to stick around after the 3 and 4 bets - but how should his presence in the hand have affected my play? Should it have encouraged or discouraged me to flat call the SB 3 bet?By the time the 5 bets/6bet goes in I am getting just under 4-1 on my money to call - but It seems awful likely that I am up against specifically one hand of A,A and one of K,K - which just destroys my A,K...(I mean I would need closer to 20-1 to make that a correct call if they turn over their cards and show me those 2 hands) ..given the possibility that one of them has Q,Q though - Do I need to suck it up and call or should I just fold after making a 4 bet (something I don't normally do).
) then two blank black cards. Button showed K,K, SB showed A,A...After further consideration I think I should have flat called the 3bet given my read. After 4betting and getting 5/6 bet I think there is a good argument for folding regardless of how much I committed - I mean I pretty much figured the SB had a very high chance of having A,A or K,K - but I didn't know for certain about the button - so I convinced myself to call. I don't think the math was there though, and even after committing 40% of my stack to the pot - I guess I should have let it go.In this case after flopping the nut flush draw, I likely was getting stacked this hand even if I had flat called the 3 bet but c'est la vie.
