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[waylander11]

Asian guy sits down at the table i get the feeling he's going to be very aggressive. This is his 3rd hand and he's raised to 10 every time. I have about 400, he has bout 225.

Asian guy raises to 10 i flat on the button with AdJd.

Flop Jc 7s 8s

Asian guy checks, i bet 15 he quickly raises to 50. What do i do here?

[Zach6668]

Asian guy sits down at the table i get the feeling he's going to be very aggressive.

lol racism.

[larons]

My first instinct (and probably yours) was to shove, but you should just call and see what he does on the turn. Two reasons:

1. - you should give the guy credit for being aware that the table knows he raised 3x in a row to 5 bbs., his first 3 hands. Unless he is actually drunk. He probably does this just to get someone to call when he gets a good pair (10 10s +) if he is lucky his third hand. He has an over pair, 2 pair or a set +80% of the time here. I have seen agressive players take this line (persistent raising) when they first sit at a table for 3 reasons, (a) to get a feel for how loose the table is, ( to establish themselves as table captain, and © to establish a false loose image that will let them get action later when they have a hand. Occasionally they get lucky and hit a hand during this initial period. I think this is what happened here.
2. - you cant put him on a draw or air. It is rare that someone would check raise this flop with a draw. He has a made hand and is trying to protect it with this bet. Any draw and he either leads out with a smallish bet or check/calls. The exception may be if he has both open ended straight and flush draws, then you are actually flipping. You cant put him on air as he again would have lead out with a continuation bet here. (Dont give him a chance to double with a flip when you only have $25 invested. Wait for a better spot.)

On the turn I guarentee he will fire unless the board puts 3 to a flush or straight. If the turn is an ace or jack, re-raise shove or call when he shoves. If the board puts 3 to a flush or straight, he will likely put out a small bet. Re-raise all in unless his bet was large enough so that he is pot commited and has to call. Any other card you can get away from and live to take his stack another hand.

What happend?

[mtdesmoines]

.... for 3 reasons, (a) to get a feel for how loose the table is, ( to establish themselves as table captain, and © to establish a false loose image that will let them get action later when they have a hand.

I'm going to use that at work some time.

a) we need to increase production
here is how we do it
© give me a raise.

[mtdesmoines]

Asian guy sits down at the table i get the feeling he's going to be very aggressive. This is his 3rd hand and he's raised to 10 every time. I have about 400, he has bout 225.

Asian guy raises to 10 i flat on the button with AdJd.

Flop Jc 7s 8s

Asian guy checks, i bet 15 he quickly raises to 50. What do i do here?

I'd just shove. Liven up the game some.

[David_Nicoson]

2. - you cant put him on a draw or air. It is rare that someone would check raise this flop with a draw. He has a made hand and is trying to protect it with this bet. Any draw and he either leads out with a smallish bet or check/calls. The exception may be if he has both open ended straight and flush draws, then you are actually flipping. You cant put him on air as he again would have lead out with a continuation bet here. (Dont give him a chance to double with a flip when you only have $25 invested. Wait for a better spot.)

Welcome on board. The detail for your thought process in the post is great. Unfortunately, in this paragraph you cited 2 out 5 of the common misconception in the FAQ. The FAQ itself is open for debate, but be aware we've been down this particular path before.

[larons]

Wasn't your last topic about unicorns?

Found it. http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...p;#entry2903520

Oh, what i should have said was

Dont give him a chance to double with a flip when you only have $25 invested.

you still dont have the proper pot odds if you include his entire range...

Wait for a better spot.

against this player you will have much better opportunities to stack him... which minimizes varience and maxamizes expectations long term. In a live cash game you cannot take a single hand in isolation, the way you play each hand affects the outcome of future hands, any play except a shove will have longer term +ev. I do not susbscribe to the theory that each hand can be viewed in terms of ev in isolation to that hand only. This guy will be at the table for a while.

[David_Nicoson]

Oh, what i should have said was

Dont give him a chance to double with a flip when you only have $25 invested.

you still dont have the proper pot odds if you include his entire range...

OK

Wait for a better spot.

against this player you will have much better opportunities to stack him... which minimizes varience and maxamizes expectations long term.

That's not the way it usually works. Usually it's a trade-off between maximizing expectation and minimizing variance. And if the hero is properly rolled, he doesn't care about the variance.

In a live cash game you cannot take a single hand in isolation, the way you play each hand affects the outcome of future hands, any play except a shove will have longer term +ev. I do not susbscribe to the theory that each hand can be viewed in terms of ev in isolation to that hand only. This guy will be at the table for a while.

The play of the hands will affect our reputations. So I agree they're related in that sense. Do you think shoving here and getting called will make our expectation worse in future hands? If so, how?