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[NoSup4U]

This is a summary with commentary about Hellmuth giving his explanation of what happened on UB when another guy won a pot from him but Hellmuth was awarded the pot:

Obv its tainted with the posters bias, but LOL Hellmuth seriously.

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Originally Posted by Pedantic Fish View Post
Thanks Kevmath!

Phil begins with a general discussion of how much he has been winning at limit hold'em (which is, after all, the most interesting thing about the hand). Then he starts explaining what happened. (All quotations from Hellmuth; comments in italics by me.)

"This hand will sound crazy because of the speed that was involved in it." (Context makes clear that Hellmuth is talking about how he played the hand, and the speed with which online players make decisions. Again, Hellmuth has zeroed in on what is most significant about the hand.)

"Probably in my online career, there's probably been a hundred pots that have been shipped, maybe 50 the wrong way to them and 50 the wrong way to me." (Oh really? If this is true, and since you play on UB, can we assume that all of them happened on UB?)

"What I like about Ultimate Bet is that they realized their mistake immediately." (False. The other player noticed the mistake and contacted them, demanding a refund.)

"Apparently, since we were heads up, somehow my opponent left the table, right before the pot -- right as the pot was being awarded." (False. Your opponent was disconnected from the table.)

"And, because he left the table -- and it may have been, I don't think it was his fault -- it may have been his fault in the official investigation -- but I don't think so -- but he for whatever reason he left the table and the pot was awarded to me." (The official name of this rhetorical device is "apophasis" -- suggesting the truth of something by pointedly denying it. In this case, Hellmuth encourages the listener to think it this was all the other player's fault by saying that he doesn't think it is.)

"And, you know, neither one of us noticed it." (Makes sense that Hellmuth didn't notice. After all, he has a reputation as a very unobservant player who doesn't care at all about whether he wins or loses.)

"And so I went back and I looked and I said, 'No, I'm only in $4,000.' And I think that prompted him to check to see what happened during the KQ hand." (So the other player should really thank Hellmuth for "prompting" him to check the hand. As the transcripts of their chat in posts #5 and #12 shows, Hellmuth just kept bringing the issue up again and again until the other player checked. Sarcasm here obvious, I hope.)

Hellmuth then discusses why he played the hand the way he did. (Thank God he finally got off the peripheral issue of who was awarded the pot!) He explains his river play as follows:

"The river was like a 4." (It was a 9.)

"He bet, I called. And, uh, right then and there, I could see he was having some connectivity problems. He probably connected and re-connected. He just kept popping off and popping back on. It was really weird." (So you were paying attention to his connectivity, but not to the fact that the pot was awarded to you.)

"And apparently he popped off at that exact millisecond. And the pot was rewarded [sic] to me. And then this controversy, but that's just online poker." (No. That is just online poker at Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker.)

"It's because of the Ultimate Bet and 60 Minutes and all this other BS." (Yeah, people being swindled out of their money is just a bunch of BS.)

Annie Duke, who was also on the show, now offered her opinion:

"Obviously, this is brand new software, and it just wasn't thought about ahead, what if someone wins a pot but they get up from the table before the pot is actually put into their stack." (Again, the other player did not "get up" or "leave" the table. He was disconnected. And anyone designing internet poker software should be thinking carefully about how disconnects are to be handled.)

Now Hellmuth asks listeners to look on the bright side:

"The great thing was that he was actually -- he did say he was very pleased that he was rewarded [sic] the pot within minutes." (False. The player had apparently contacted UB before 5:12 AM, see post #12. Then he posted that he was "on hold" with customer support at 5:27 AM. At 5:41, he posted that they had given him less than half the pot, with a promise to give him the rest "in a few hours." I guess the CEO of UB had to go hock a few things to get the rest of the money.)

"I think it's safe to say I've had a perfect reputation for honor, ethics and integrity in this business." (True, as long as we do not count publicly humiliating amateurs in order to get an edge on them in tournaments, blaming dealers for bad hands, and accusing half the people who beat you of slow-rolling you as lapses of honor, ethics or integrity.)

I may post some more summary of the show later, if anyone is interested, but I have to go to dinner in a while, and Hellmuth is making me queasy.
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Mark

[wsox8]

LOL, I love all the bs responses by Hellmuth. He's full of shit

[Balloon guy]

Phil Hellmuth has won 11 bracelets

How many have any of you won?


Huh?


Didn't think of that did you?

Don't feel so smart now do you?


Yea, I thought so.


donks

[Balloon guy]

That shut them up

[troyomac]

That shut them up

Lol

[quadaces]

Where are all he italics?

[KevinFKHS]

sigh...hellmuth

[yahaw]

Where are all he italics?

They live in Italy , everyone knows that duhhhhhhh.

[Jrobb25]

I use to be a big Hellmuth fan but, he is just a joke now. Espn show this guy all the time and they need to find a new person to highlight. I beginning to think he is really really bad for poker. This game has evolved to a great game that isn't full of crooks but a game that people love and work hard to be good at. So tired of this guy.

[looshle]

he's good for poker if you get to sit with him. He makes some pretty horrific plays.

[BaseJester]

he's good for poker if you get to sit with him. He makes some pretty horrific plays.

How do you suppose he's won the bracelets? I think he might know some things about reading fish, but he seems to live in a fantasy world. So much so that I thought it was an act.

[nutzbuster]

lol ifitwasn'tforluckaments


complete 100% dik imo

[James D]

Yeah, it took a while, but I'm bored of him too. The Hellmuth show is old now.

[BeaverStyle]

Yeah, it took a while, but I'm bored of him too. The Hellmuth show is old now.

I seriously hope I get to sit at a table with him at some point in my life. It would be magic.

[king_tanner]

How do you suppose he's won the bracelets?

For a lot of the bracelets he won the fields were small. Also he was playing more events than a lot of the pro's in the 90's (I think). He has still won a couple with the larger fields though. Doyle used to not play any events but the main event. I don't think Johnny Chan was playing a lot of the preliminaries either, I could be wrong though.

Still an amazing accomplishment obviously, but I think a couple players would have more bracelets if they played in as many events as Phil.

[troyomac]

I seriously hope I get to sit at a table with him at some point in my life. It would be magic.

The highlight for me was making him mad at me

[BeaverStyle]

The highlight for me was making him mad at me

Yeah, that's what I would be looking for. I'd berate him for some random pre-flop call, give him a taste of his own medicine. Running a sick bluff and showing would be fistpumpamazing.

[king_tanner]

Yeah, that's what I would be looking for. I'd berate him for some random pre-flop call, give him a taste of his own medicine. Running a sick bluff and showing would be fistpumpamazing.

He probably gets a lot of this.

[Jupiter]

I seriously hope I get to sit at a table with him at some point in my life. It would be magic.

I used to talk to a friend of mine about how fun it'd be to muck my cards and 'accidentally' kill his hand.

[Zach6668]

I'm confused. Is there a link to the initial story? I must have missed it. Another UB glitch/cheat?