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#21 jmbreslin

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Posted 30 December 2008 - 10:41 AM

View Postantistuff, on Monday, December 29th, 2008, 12:56 PM, said:

clear the bonus and then bounce. the bonus+rakeback is a good deal.
That's the only reason I'm playing on FT now. I'm starting to get the itch to return to NLHE SnGs, and I've been missing 8-game on Stars, so I'm wondering if I'm even going to keep money on FT after my bonus period ends. You don't get rakeback for tourney fees, do you?*Edit: just discovered that tourney fees are eligible for rakeback so maybe I'll continue to use FT for my NLHE SnGs and Stars for other games
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 06:56 PM

Holy mother of hell do I hate this game.Full Tilt Poker Game #9806480258: Table Washburn - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 21:49:29 ET - 2009/01/01Seat 1: InDaMony ($0.90)Seat 2: JLMeyer ($3.50)Seat 3: alheocmo01 ($11.35)Seat 4: JSN84 ($3.45)Seat 5: Birts ($4.70)Seat 6: verok55 ($1.70)Seat 7: christa66 ($10.10)Seat 8: carpet guys ($6.50)Seat 9: jbreslin1 ($10.75)InDaMony posts the small blind of $0.05JLMeyer posts the big blind of $0.10The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jbreslin1 [Th Ad 8d 2s]alheocmo01 raises to $0.35JSN84 has 15 seconds left to actJSN84 foldsBirts foldsverok55 foldschrista66 foldscarpet guys calls $0.35jbreslin1 calls $0.35InDaMony foldsJLMeyer folds*** FLOP *** [Qs 3d 5h]alheocmo01 bets $1.20carpet guys foldsjbreslin1 calls $1.20*** TURN *** [Qs 3d 5h] [5c]alheocmo01 bets $0.90jbreslin1 calls $0.90*** RIVER *** [Qs 3d 5h 5c] [4h]alheocmo01 bets $5.40jbreslin1 calls $5.40*** SHOW DOWN ***alheocmo01 shows [5s 5d 2d Ac] four of a kind, Fives, for high and 5,4,3,2,A, for lowjbreslin1 shows [Th Ad 8d 2s] a straight, Five high, for high and 5,4,3,2,A, for lowalheocmo01 wins the high pot ($7.30) with four of a kind, Fivesalheocmo01 ties for the low pot ($3.65) with 5,4,3,2,Ajbreslin1 ties for the low pot ($3.65) with 5,4,3,2,A*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $16.20 | Rake $1.60Board: [Qs 3d 5h 5c 4h]Seat 3: alheocmo01 showed [5s 5d 2d Ac] and won ($10.95) with HI: four of a kind, Fives; LO: 5,4,3,2,ASeat 9: jbreslin1 (button) showed [Th Ad 8d 2s] and won ($3.65) with HI: a straight, Five high; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
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Posted 01 January 2009 - 11:08 PM

View Postjmbreslin, on Thursday, January 1st, 2009, 9:56 PM, said:

Holy mother of hell do I hate this game.Full Tilt Poker Game #9806480258: Table Washburn - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 21:49:29 ET - 2009/01/01Seat 1: InDaMony ($0.90)Seat 2: JLMeyer ($3.50)Seat 3: alheocmo01 ($11.35)Seat 4: JSN84 ($3.45)Seat 5: Birts ($4.70)Seat 6: verok55 ($1.70)Seat 7: christa66 ($10.10)Seat 8: carpet guys ($6.50)Seat 9: jbreslin1 ($10.75)InDaMony posts the small blind of $0.05JLMeyer posts the big blind of $0.10The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to jbreslin1 [Th Ad 8d 2s]alheocmo01 raises to $0.35JSN84 has 15 seconds left to actJSN84 foldsBirts foldsverok55 foldschrista66 foldscarpet guys calls $0.35jbreslin1 calls $0.35InDaMony foldsJLMeyer folds*** FLOP *** [Qs 3d 5h]alheocmo01 bets $1.20carpet guys foldsjbreslin1 calls $1.20*** TURN *** [Qs 3d 5h] [5c]alheocmo01 bets $0.90jbreslin1 calls $0.90*** RIVER *** [Qs 3d 5h 5c] [4h]alheocmo01 bets $5.40jbreslin1 calls $5.40*** SHOW DOWN ***alheocmo01 shows [5s 5d 2d Ac] four of a kind, Fives, for high and 5,4,3,2,A, for lowjbreslin1 shows [Th Ad 8d 2s] a straight, Five high, for high and 5,4,3,2,A, for lowalheocmo01 wins the high pot ($7.30) with four of a kind, Fivesalheocmo01 ties for the low pot ($3.65) with 5,4,3,2,Ajbreslin1 ties for the low pot ($3.65) with 5,4,3,2,A*** SUMMARY ***Total pot $16.20 | Rake $1.60Board: [Qs 3d 5h 5c 4h]Seat 3: alheocmo01 showed [5s 5d 2d Ac] and won ($10.95) with HI: four of a kind, Fives; LO: 5,4,3,2,ASeat 9: jbreslin1 (button) showed [Th Ad 8d 2s] and won ($3.65) with HI: a straight, Five high; LO: 5,4,3,2,A
if you routinely call flops like that you have just found a huge leak in your game. the only reason to call that flop is because you 1) have position 2) have the nut low draw 3) can use those two things as leverage to steal the pot on the turn or the riveryou hit the perfect card to try to steal on the turn btw. other good cards are probably a nine, an ace, or a deuce. yes you would have been raising into the nuts, but when he repops you just fold (as in don't do this if you are going to price yourself in with a low draw). against most players just fold that flop.
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 05:38 AM

Yes, I am starting to realize that nitting it up also means not continuing past the flop unless I do flop a multi-way hand (I guess a gutshot to the nut low doesn't count). Especially since that was one of the few players I had a solid read on. Over 200+ hands that guy was playing around 10/7, which makes me look super-loose. I knew he was on a decent A2xx hand, so when I didn't pick up a diamond draw on the flop I knew I was playing to split the low half if I made it. Terrible on my part.Taking into account the read on the player, would you still advocate trying to take it away on the turn? Or should that move be saved for a player with a wider raising range?
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Posted 02 January 2009 - 02:50 PM

at gutshot to the nut low counts when it doesnt involve an ace in your hand1) somebody else is unlikely to have the same one2) you are more likely to get paid off
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 01:33 PM

Arggg! Anything I could have done differently?Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (SB) ($9.35)BB ($1.15)UTG ($10.45)UTG+1 ($9.50)MP1 ($10.70)MP2 ($4.65)MP3 ($3.70)CO ($0.75)Button ($4.80)Preflop: Hero is SB with KPosted Image, APosted Image, QPosted Image, 3Posted Image1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, 1 fold, Button calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, BB checksFlop: ($0.50) 4Posted Image, 8Posted Image, 2Posted Image (5 players)Hero bets $0.50, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 2 foldsTurn: ($1.50) 3Posted Image (2 players)Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $1.50, Hero foldsTotal pot: $1.50 | Rake: $0.15
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 04:10 PM

^^^^^Not folded turn, for one. :club: Not checked turn... for two...check-folding turn cards that don't blow up your skirt will cost you tons of money in the long run. Yeah, it only takes 2 cards to scoop there, but it's not overly likely he called a pot sized bet on the flop with 'em.
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 05:07 PM

i would be happy to see a 3 there and bet the pot.
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 05:32 PM

I'm confused, the 3 just counterfeited my low so my hand is now just a nut flush draw for half. Remember, this is micro stakes - I would not be at all surprised to see a player call that flop with A5xx. There's a big difference between cards "that don't blow up my skirt" and cards that significantly devalue my hand. And any hand he's calling that flop with he's not going to be folding the turn. Are you guys advocating leading the turn or check-calling?
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 06:14 PM

View Postjmbreslin, on Sunday, January 4th, 2009, 8:32 PM, said:

I'm confused, the 3 just counterfeited my low so my hand is now just a nut flush draw for half. Remember, this is micro stakes - I would not be at all surprised to see a player call that flop with A5xx. There's a big difference between cards "that don't blow up my skirt" and cards that significantly devalue my hand. And any hand he's calling that flop with he's not going to be folding the turn. Are you guys advocating leading the turn or check-calling?
lead. if you are going to check you have to fold.
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 06:20 PM

Please explain why I should be happy and willing to lead when the 3 falls.
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 06:44 PM

A little update on my quest:I may have to face the reality that I ****ing suck at this game. I just can't get a feel for it. The players at this level of play are so loose and unpredictable that I just never know where I stand. I can't seem to hit the cards I need so I'm constantly stuck in these marginal spots where I feel completely lost. This move over to FT has been a frickin' disaster.
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 06:55 PM

#$#$%%%&^!!!! I've had it with these idiots. Why do they get rewarded for playing so terribly? Who limp-calls a raise with such garbage?!?!?!Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP2 ($10.55)MP3 ($2.10)CO ($6.95)Hero (Button) ($3.25)SB ($4.05)BB ($2)UTG ($5.05)UTG+1 ($2.05)Preflop: Hero is Button with 5Posted Image, KPosted Image, APosted Image, APosted Image2 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20Flop: ($0.95) JPosted Image, 8Posted Image, 8Posted Image (3 players)BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.95, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.95Turn: ($2.85) KPosted Image (2 players)MP2 checks, Hero checksRiver: ($2.85) 2Posted Image (2 players)MP2 bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10MP2 shows [8h 5c 5h 6h] three of a kind, Eights, for highHero mucks handMP2 wins the pot ($2.75) with three of a kind, EightsNo low hand qualifiedTotal pot: $3.05 | Rake: $0.30
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 07:02 PM

View Postjmbreslin, on Sunday, January 4th, 2009, 9:20 PM, said:

Please explain why I should be happy and willing to lead when the 3 falls.
because that cards looks just as bad to your opponent as it does to you. he will fold well over 50% of the time.
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 07:03 PM

View Postjmbreslin, on Sunday, January 4th, 2009, 9:55 PM, said:

#$#$%%%&^!!!! I've had it with these idiots. Why do they get rewarded for playing so terribly? Who limp-calls a raise with such garbage?!?!?!Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP2 ($10.55)MP3 ($2.10)CO ($6.95)Hero (Button) ($3.25)SB ($4.05)BB ($2)UTG ($5.05)UTG+1 ($2.05)Preflop: Hero is Button with 5Posted Image, KPosted Image, APosted Image, APosted Image2 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 1 fold, BB calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20Flop: ($0.95) JPosted Image, 8Posted Image, 8Posted Image (3 players)BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.95, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.95Turn: ($2.85) KPosted Image (2 players)MP2 checks, Hero checksRiver: ($2.85) 2Posted Image (2 players)MP2 bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10MP2 shows [8h 5c 5h 6h] three of a kind, Eights, for highHero mucks handMP2 wins the pot ($2.75) with three of a kind, EightsNo low hand qualifiedTotal pot: $3.05 | Rake: $0.30
you played this hand perfectly. he even made a huge mistake, he should have bet more on the river. when you have the trip 8s you will valuetown his aces and come out ahead.
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 08:08 PM

I may switch over to 6-max and see if that's any better. I have a hard time seeing how this game can be profitable when you have 8 opponents, many of whom play literally 50% of the hands they're dealt, and most of the hand value comes postflop. At least in 6-max you can play a more effective positionally-aggressive game and don't have to worry about as many garbage hands hitting big flops and drawing out on you.
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Posted 05 January 2009 - 05:57 AM

View Postjmbreslin, on Sunday, January 4th, 2009, 11:08 PM, said:

I may switch over to 6-max and see if that's any better. I have a hard time seeing how this game can be profitable when you have 8 opponents, many of whom play literally 50% of the hands they're dealt, and most of the hand value comes postflop. At least in 6-max you can play a more effective positionally-aggressive game and don't have to worry about as many garbage hands hitting big flops and drawing out on you.
6max is much more aggresive and if you show a willingness to gamble early you can really nit it up and get paid of for the rest of the session IMO
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i told him that this hand makes him the worst player on the internet and that this was the gayest straight ever.

i then felt very clever.


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Posted 05 January 2009 - 03:44 PM

View Postjmbreslin, on Sunday, January 4th, 2009, 6:20 PM, said:

Please explain why I should be happy and willing to lead when the 3 falls.

View Postantistuff, on Sunday, January 4th, 2009, 7:02 PM, said:

because that cards looks just as bad to your opponent as it does to you. he will fold well over 50% of the time.
yes, but the far snarkier and quicker answer is "Because he can't see your cards, duh!" :club:
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Whatever angle it is, i am pretty sure it will be obtuse.


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Posted 05 January 2009 - 03:46 PM

View Postjmbreslin, on Sunday, January 4th, 2009, 8:08 PM, said:

I may switch over to 6-max and see if that's any better. I have a hard time seeing how this game can be profitable when you have 8 opponents, many of whom play literally 50% of the hands they're dealt, and most of the hand value comes postflop. At least in 6-max you can play a more effective positionally-aggressive game and don't have to worry about as many garbage hands hitting big flops and drawing out on you.
For your first couple 6max sessions, put tape over your hole cards. If only to drive home the fact the game is now no longer even remotely related to what cards you actually have in your hand. ;)Seriously though, start listening to that crazy voice in the back of your head that says "f*ck it, I'm betting/raising this". It's fun. :club:
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Whatever angle it is, i am pretty sure it will be obtuse.


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Posted 05 January 2009 - 05:09 PM

from your posts i do not think 6 max is for you.
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