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#1 jmbreslin

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Posted 25 December 2008 - 05:38 PM

Antistuff's comments about the difficulty of beating these stakes on FT due to the high rake have inspired me to try this. I've been playing these stakes to clear bonus on FT so I'm going to see if it's profitable to take a super-nitty approach to these tables. Here's an outline of my strategery:1) Only play hands with solid two-way potential unless the pot odds for a high-only or A2xx hand are irresistible2) Only raise solid hands in position3) Don't chase draws in marginal situations4) Play cautious postflop with one-way hands or hands where my edge is very small5) Drive hands postflop only when I have larger edgesComments welcome. I'm going to track my performance here and post hands along the way.
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Posted 25 December 2008 - 07:01 PM

Uneventful session overall. Here's a questionable hand from the night:Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP1 ($7.70)MP2 ($10.45)MP3 ($15.15)CO ($2)Button ($13.45)SB ($6.20)Hero (BB) ($11.80)UTG ($4.70)UTG+1 ($1.90)Preflop: Hero is BB with 6Posted Image, 8Posted Image, 5Posted Image, 10Posted Image2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, CO checks, Button calls $0.10, SB calls $0.05, Hero checksFlop: ($0.50) 6Posted Image, 6Posted Image, 9Posted Image (5 players)SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Button bets $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 foldTurn: ($1.25) APosted Image (3 players)Hero checks, MP1 checks, Button bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 1 foldRiver: ($1.45) 5Posted Image (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $1.45, Hero calls $1.45Total pot: $4.35 | Rake: $0.40
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Posted 25 December 2008 - 10:35 PM

Check Smash for an omaha theory.
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Posted 26 December 2008 - 06:45 AM

View Postpokerinc, on Friday, December 26th, 2008, 1:35 AM, said:

Check Smash for an omaha theory.
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Posted 26 December 2008 - 11:25 AM

gl. remember to fold the nut flush sometimes. also don't push your big draws. draw to them when you can. having to do this will hurt you a lot. you're going to need to bluff a lot of missed rivers. if they check the river to you HU in this situation bet almost every time. ive actually thought about this a lot for some reason it caught my interest a while ago. please post results, im interested in if it can be done.
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Posted 26 December 2008 - 03:04 PM

View Postpokerinc, on Thursday, December 25th, 2008, 10:35 PM, said:

Check Smash for an omaha theory.
This what like 5 years ago, but I assume this refers to Smash's super nitty positional philosophy?

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Posted 26 December 2008 - 03:08 PM

I tried something like this and bled a lot of money I'm also hoping to see what comes of this.

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Posted 27 December 2008 - 07:09 AM

Any thoughts on the hand I posted?
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Posted 27 December 2008 - 05:45 PM

View Postjmbreslin, on Saturday, December 27th, 2008, 10:09 AM, said:

Any thoughts on the hand I posted?
i probably bet or c/r the flop but i have no problem with how you played it.
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Posted 28 December 2008 - 03:26 AM

View Postjmbreslin, on Saturday, December 27th, 2008, 7:09 AM, said:

Any thoughts on the hand I posted?
that donk bet on the flop and donk-ten cent bet on the turn is swahili for "I have AAxx.. RAWR!".I mean, he can show up with 78 here and think he's valuing river, but if that's the case, put him on your friends list.The worst part about the ugly T65x type hands is you can make some insanely stellar versions of the second-best hand, and it's not even your fault cuz you see a free flop and stupidly cheap turn.Seriously, how does he have anything other than AA and make that idiotic turn bet?
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whatever angle it is, i am pretty sure it will be obtuse.


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Posted 28 December 2008 - 07:00 AM

View PostCappy37, on Sunday, December 28th, 2008, 6:26 AM, said:

The worst part about the ugly T65x type hands is you can make some insanely stellar versions of the second-best hand, and it's not even your fault cuz you see a free flop and stupidly cheap turn.
Tell me about it. This hand cost me almost $2 and it was a garbage BB special.He actually had A6xx. The small turn bet was a bit difficult to interpret because players at this level will often throw out tiny bets with marginal hands when they're not sure of where they stand. Then I hit my boat on the river and had no choice but to call.
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Posted 28 December 2008 - 06:54 PM

Thoughts on this one?Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comUTG ($6.05)UTG+1 ($31.70)MP1 ($19.30)MP2 ($9.65)Hero (CO) ($8.50)Button ($10.90)SB ($22.70)BB ($9.85)Preflop: Hero is CO with QPosted Image, 3Posted Image, APosted Image, 10Posted ImageUTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, BB checksFlop: ($0.40) 7Posted Image, 8Posted Image, 9Posted Image (4 players)SB bets $0.10, BB calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10Turn: ($0.70) KPosted Image (3 players)SB bets $0.10, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.90 [2nd nut low draw and lots of outs to a nut high with the heart draw and straight draw, though the spade draw is non-nut]River: ($3.70) 3Posted Image (3 players)SB bets $0.80, BB raises to $6.10, Hero folds, SB calls $5.30Total pot: $15.90 | Rake: $1.55
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Posted 28 December 2008 - 08:49 PM

OK, 3 jacks and QT of hearts give you mortal nuts : 5 outs.7 or 8 of hearts gives you nuts if no one boats up : 2 possible scoop outs.4 hearts give you nut high, but a weaker low: 4 outs for 1/2 pot.2 of hearts gives you at *least* 3 quarters. 1 out for 3/4 to full scoop3 other twos gives you 1/4 to 1/2 of the pot: 3 outs for 1/4 to 1/2.15 cards on the river give us a good chunk of this pot. So you've got roughly a 1 in 3 chance to pull it off, plus the implied odds of river betting. Your cost on the turn (providing SB doesnt raise behind you and simply calls) is about 3.7-1 (calling $1 to win $3.70.Mathmatically you can make this call easy if you are fairly certain the SB was weak-leading with a monster and is planning on raising.The real argument against calling is there is only 70 cents in the actual pot, so you will need huge implied odds to make the call worthwhile. Given the strong bet and weak pot-size and the need for implied odds to happen, I could justify laying this hand down. But calling is right there as well. Either play is solid. I'd feel better with some semblance of a made hand here, since if we are holding a king or two pair or something, we can bluff-catch. As it stands we are on a pure draw with no showdown value unless we connect. So 2/3 of the time we will be dumping on the river regardless of the action. Which reiterates why we *really* need to have implied odds to make this work.
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whatever angle it is, i am pretty sure it will be obtuse.


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Posted 29 December 2008 - 02:18 AM

all of cappy's math is wrong because the rake is TENPERCENT!!!!!!
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Posted 29 December 2008 - 05:28 AM

View Postjmbreslin, on Sunday, December 28th, 2008, 9:54 PM, said:

Thoughts on this one?Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comUTG ($6.05)UTG+1 ($31.70)MP1 ($19.30)MP2 ($9.65)Hero (CO) ($8.50)Button ($10.90)SB ($22.70)BB ($9.85)Preflop: Hero is CO with QPosted Image, 3Posted Image, APosted Image, 10Posted ImageUTG calls $0.10, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.05, BB checksFlop: ($0.40) 7Posted Image, 8Posted Image, 9Posted Image (4 players)SB bets $0.10, BB calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.10Turn: ($0.70) KPosted Image (3 players)SB bets $0.10, BB raises to $1, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.90 [2nd nut low draw and lots of outs to a nut high with the heart draw and straight draw, though the spade draw is non-nut]River: ($3.70) 3Posted Image (3 players)SB bets $0.80, BB raises to $6.10, Hero folds, SB calls $5.30Total pot: $15.90 | Rake: $1.55
I know there is the whole discussion going about the rake and playing nitty, but these are precisely the spots where I feel you have to raise it up preflop...IMO
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i told him that this hand makes him the worst player on the internet and that this was the gayest straight ever.

i then felt very clever.


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Posted 29 December 2008 - 06:36 AM

View Postantistuff, on Monday, December 29th, 2008, 5:18 AM, said:

all of cappy's math is wrong because the rake is TENPERCENT!!!!!!
You're almost willing me to fail...By the way, how would you factor the rake into Cappy's calculations?
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Posted 29 December 2008 - 09:11 AM

View Postantistuff, on Monday, December 29th, 2008, 2:18 AM, said:

all of cappy's math is wrong because the rake is TENPERCENT!!!!!!
Jesus.It's like when I first learned that Santa wasn't real.. I think I feel sick.. Yet another reason why I'm still eligible for all sign-up bonuses and rakebake on FT..
QUOTE (El Guapo @ Thursday, April 30th, 2009, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whatever angle it is, i am pretty sure it will be obtuse.


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Posted 29 December 2008 - 09:12 AM

View Postjmbreslin, on Monday, December 29th, 2008, 6:36 AM, said:

You're almost willing me to fail...By the way, how would you factor the rake into Cappy's calculations?
Take 10% out of the current pot.... so if you were getting 3.7-1 on the turn, you'd actually be getting like 3.3-1.. Lol.. and you'd have to slice 10% off of your implied odds too.. yikes.
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Whatever angle it is, i am pretty sure it will be obtuse.


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Posted 29 December 2008 - 09:54 AM

View Postrvrchsrhtr, on Monday, December 29th, 2008, 8:28 AM, said:

I know there is the whole discussion going about the rake and playing nitty, but these are precisely the spots where I feel you have to raise it up preflop...IMO
i agree.

View Postjmbreslin, on Monday, December 29th, 2008, 9:36 AM, said:

You're almost willing me to fail...By the way, how would you factor the rake into Cappy's calculations?
nah man, im rooting for you. you can take the rake out on each street as long as you remember to put it back in. (ftp lets you bet the pot size as if the rake wasn't taken out yet).
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Posted 29 December 2008 - 09:56 AM

View PostCappy37, on Monday, December 29th, 2008, 12:11 PM, said:

Jesus.It's like when I first learned that Santa wasn't real.. I think I feel sick.. Yet another reason why I'm still eligible for all sign-up bonuses and rakebake on FT..
clear the bonus and then bounce. the bonus+rakeback is a good deal.
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