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[antistuff 0]

im at a table with like 4 lags who keep trying to bluff me off every pot. i did this to one of them to get them to back off. if he folds i plan on showing my cards.Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$16 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $106.35UTG+1: $120Hero: $200.50Button: $71.85SB: $97.70BB: $49.65Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A 2 4 J 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: Q Q 9 ($8, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB calls.Turn: 2 ($24, 2 players)SB bets $12, Hero calls.River: K ($48, 2 players)SB bets $17, Hero raises to $99

[Cappy37 0]

I think villain calls the flop and then donks the turn with JT enough here to make this move suicide a solid % of the time here. You would really want enough experience with the villain to make sure he could make a tough, tough fold in this spot for this move to be even remotely profitable. Are they LAGing with *complete* air or semi-bluffing any reasonable hand? There's a big difference.He's never laying down a queen, and JT is highly possible.. It's a high-only board from the flop thru the river. What's he flatting then leading with that he can lay down after betting out on the river? He isn't bluffing enough / laying down trips or a straight .. often enough to make this a legit move, in my opinion.I could be wrong. But I really don't think so. Even as laggy as they are, I don't like this as the spot where we take a stand with AJ high. Even heads up, this is flirting with disaster.

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I think villain calls the flop and then donks the turn with JT enough here to make this move suicide a solid % of the time here. You would really want enough experience with the villain to make sure he could make a tough, tough fold in this spot for this move to be even remotely profitable. Are they LAGing with *complete* air or semi-bluffing any reasonable hand? There's a big difference.He's never laying down a queen, and JT is highly possible.. It's a high-only board from the flop thru the river. What's he flatting then leading with that he can lay down after betting out on the river? He isn't bluffing enough / laying down trips or a straight .. often enough to make this a legit move, in my opinion.I could be wrong. But I really don't think so. Even as laggy as they are, I don't like this as the spot where we take a stand with AJ high. Even heads up, this is flirting with disaster.

just from the way this player played im guessing he folds that river around 70% of the time. maybe more. he has the spade draw with maybe like king jack or something. i actually would have just called the river but i think he paired his king.

[Cappy37 0]

just from the way this player played im guessing he folds that river around 70% of the time. maybe more. he has the spade draw with maybe like king jack or something. i actually would have just called the river but i think he paired his king.

70% seems a tad optomistic.. I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around what it is we are "selling" with that river raise.Of course, we've put him all in (at a cost of firing a hundo into a $66 pot)... I can tell this is a "he can't call me and I'm grinning while I'm doing it" spot quite a bit. We've built up enough of a pot to make it worth stealing, and given him about the worst possible price to call off all his chips if he has anything *but* the queen, straght, or underfull.The real question is this: villains line is check-call/bet out/bet out. He's a pretty wild lag if that's how he's been stealing off of you. Have they been inflating pots and then making the river donkbluff you can't call.. frequently? Him firing 17 into a $48 pot on the river screams of either valuetown or post-oak bluff. It's actually a bad situation from us from a fundamental level, because we have to bluff raise to counter the post oak, which endangers us to completely stacking off needlessly into the mortal nuts. I can see doing this occasionally if what he sells is smelling fishy, but it's a huuuuge negative freeroll in the abstract sense.

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

im at a table with like 4 lags who keep trying to bluff me off every pot. i did this to one of them to get them to back off. if he folds i plan on showing my cards.Full Tilt PokerPot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring gameBlinds: $0.50/$16 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $106.35UTG+1: $120Hero: $200.50Button: $71.85SB: $97.70BB: $49.65Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A 2 4 J 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.Flop: Q Q 9 ($8, 2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB calls.Turn: 2 ($24, 2 players)SB bets $12, Hero calls.River: K ($48, 2 players)SB bets $17, Hero raises to $99

Making plays like this is just plain sick win or lose.......lol

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70% seems a tad optomistic.. I'm just having trouble wrapping my head around what it is we are "selling" with that river raise.Of course, we've put him all in (at a cost of firing a hundo into a $66 pot)... I can tell this is a "he can't call me and I'm grinning while I'm doing it" spot quite a bit. We've built up enough of a pot to make it worth stealing, and given him about the worst possible price to call off all his chips if he has anything *but* the queen, straght, or underfull.The real question is this: villains line is check-call/bet out/bet out. He's a pretty wild lag if that's how he's been stealing off of you. Have they been inflating pots and then making the river donkbluff you can't call.. frequently? Him firing 17 into a $48 pot on the river screams of either valuetown or post-oak bluff. It's actually a bad situation from us from a fundamental level, because we have to bluff raise to counter the post oak, which endangers us to completely stacking off needlessly into the mortal nuts. I can see doing this occasionally if what he sells is smelling fishy, but it's a huuuuge negative freeroll in the abstract sense.

in retrospect i am still happy with the way i played this hand against this player. in a vacuum and/or on average i agree that this is a horrible way to play this hand.