nlhe tourney hand - first strat post!

[poguemahone68 0]

Hey all,I'm pretty sure this is the section I'm going to be spending most of my FCP time, so here goes my first post.I've recently been playing some of the PStars MTTs and I'm finding that I can usually make it into the money, but can't seem to get deep in the money. I have been going out right around 4 hours or just before the 4th break (last 7 of 9), but at this point in the tourney there are some really good players who are raising insane amounts, a lot of times with marginal hands and things get a little nutty.This hand came up and crippled my stack and set up my demise. The player who raised, made the minimum raise, which was his standard with a wide range of hands.PokerStars Game #1707338713: Tournament #xxxxxxx, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (2000/4000) - 2005/05/16 - 01:56:54 (ET)MP3 (t2625)Hero (t55076)Button (t95995)SB (t30428)BB (t55115)UTG (t105118)UTG+1 (t82736)MP1 (t41225)MP2 (t35220)Preflop: Hero is CO with [Qs], [Ks]. 2 folds.Flop: (t17600) [Qc], [Qh], [Jd] (2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets t4000, MP1 calls t4000.Turn: (t25600) [As] (2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets t8000, MP1 calls t8000.River: (t41600) [6h] (2 players)MP1 bets t10000, Hero calls t10000.Final Pot: t61600I didn't put any comments along the way, as I'd like to see how some of you would have played the hand on the various streets and why.Thanks

[Vade 0]

Ouch. What do you think about how MP1 has been playing up to this point. Do they like limping or minraising a lot.MP1 has AQ right? No way you can put them on the hand, but from the betting, it would make a lot of sense.That's a ridiculously small river bet, and you have to call it getting 4-1.You flop bet and turn bet are too small imo. Even with trips, you want to try to extract more. I know ya lost, but actually you should have been betting moreWelcome to strategy, and thx for using the convertor

[poguemahone68 0]

Oops, I forgot to add the hands at the end. Sorry, first time using the converter.The minimum raise was standard for this guy with quite a few hands.

[Rocketwadster 0]

PokerStars Game #1707338713: Tournament #xxxxxxx, Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (2000/4000) - 2005/05/16 - 01:56:54 (ET)MP3 (t2625)Hero (t55076)Button (t95995)SB (t30428)BB (t55115)UTG (t105118)UTG+1 (t82736)MP1 (t41225)MP2 (t35220)Preflop: Hero is CO with [Qs], [Ks]. 2 folds.Nothing wrong with calling here. You could re-raise, but calling is fine.Flop: (t17600) [Qc], [Qh], [Jd] (2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets t4000, MP1 calls t4000.Not sure why you are betting such a small amount for into this pot. What were you trying to do here, suck him in for more money or win the pot right now? Either way, way to small a bet. Bet at least 1/2 the pot here if you are trying to see where you are. Turn: (t25600) [As] (2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets t8000, MP1 calls t8000.Again, your bet is way to small. You have given him basically a free card after the flop, and still don't know where you stand. Another small bet from you here has hurt you.River: (t41600) [6h] (2 players)MP1 bets t10000, Hero calls t10000.His $10K bet means what? Why did you call here? What hands that someone would raise pre-flop do you have beat?Final Pot: t61600IMO, you needed to be much more agressive throughout the hand, to see where you were at, sooner than later, to either win it outright or to limit your losses. 3 of a king looks good, but not with that flop or turn card. :wink:

[allinbluff35 0]

Oops, I forgot to add the hands at the end. Sorry, first time using the converter.The minimum raise was standard for this guy with quite a few hands.

delete the results

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Oops, I forgot to add the hands at the end. Sorry, first time using the converter.The minimum raise was standard for this guy with quite a few hands.

Actually, you'll get far better advice not giving us the results.

[poguemahone68 0]

Oops, I forgot to add the hands at the end. Sorry, first time using the converter.The minimum raise was standard for this guy with quite a few hands.

Actually, you'll get far better advice not giving us the results.

OK, deleted the results. Should I add the results later? After several replies?I bet small on the flop to induce a raise, which now I see was a mistake, as it just allowed him to see the turn for cheap. WHen the A hit the turn, I was concerned with AQ or AA, but figured if I bet 8000 and he comes over the top of me, I can let the trips go. His smooth call made me think he had KK, but when he bet 10,000 on the river, I figured he had either AQ or AA, but I was so commited at this point and the bet was so small, I reluctantly called. I think he would have played JJ much stronger on the flop and turn, so I wasn't worried about that.Thanks for the advice, for some reason, I just couldn't think clearly through this hand and never really knew the optimum play.

[powerpoker 0]

dont mind the call preflop at all...bet the flop harder...you said yourself that the raises are starting to get ridiculous...and the blinds are moving up fast so you may want to get as many chips as soon as possible rather then trying to possibly slow play the queens after the flop...also bet harder on the turn...even know the ace sucks...because now you got a straight draw alive as well...thats all i got

[gobears 0]

Preflop: Hero is CO with [Qs], [Ks]. 2 folds.Flop: (t17600) [Qc], [Qh], [Jd] (2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets t4000, MP1 calls t4000.Turn: (t25600) [As] (2 players)MP1 checks, Hero bets t8000, MP1 calls t8000.River: (t41600) [6h] (2 players)MP1 bets t10000, Hero calls t10000.Final Pot: t61600

Preflop looks fine to me After the flop, I would bet at least 1/2 the pot here; 10,000 would be my bet. After the turn, I would fire a second bullet even with the A showing up on the turn. Only Hands to be worried about: AQ, AA, JJ, K10 (not too likely). You're ahead of other hands.You have to call the river even if you're beat.Other than raising the post flop bet, it looks ok to me.

[poguemahone68 0]

OK, so it seems the general concensus is that I needed to bet stronger on the flop, as to not let this guy draw cheaply.The guy had AA, so that turn just buried me. I suppose I'm glad he only bet 10,000 of his remaining 21,000 on the river, but I also think there was a way for him to get all of those chips from me, had he played the hand differently. I was left with 26,000, which still gave me a fighting chance.Thanks for the input on my first strat post, you'll be hearing more from me as I do feel I have some leaks I need to fix.