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#41 mtdesmoines

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 12:58 PM

View PostNinja Ace, on Monday, March 8th, 2010, 2:26 PM, said:

In the past few months my sole income has been off of poker... live and online. "It's a hard way to make an easy living" rings ooooooh so very true.First off, if you're living off of it your bankroll has to be huuuuuge in comparison to the stakes you are playing. That 4k you plan on having as your bankroll... yeah... that better be just your bankroll. You will need equal amount of personal finances that are not for poker. You have to really treat it like you're a boss of a business and you give yourself paychecks out of your bankroll... monthly. I've had to drop down in stakes at the end of some months just because I didn't make enough to keep my BR high enough and still give myself the paycheck.Prepare for the biggest emotional ride of your life. Poker will do some sick things for long periods and short periods. It becomes very easy to grossly overestimate your abilities during run goods... and during huge downstretches (which will seem like a freaking eternity in live poker... possibly months) you will begin to question if you can even play properly or profitably anymore.My advice to handle this is as follows. First, you have to be able to play different formats of poker. I have to switch between HU SNG's, 6-max cash, FR cash, and SSing cash just to stay sane and keep my game from getting too warped by recent results. Also, playing different formats will increase your understanding of the game. Second... you cannot and will not succeed if you use drugs or alcohol. Like drinking? Like smokin the occasional reefer? That's fine... but you better plan at least 3 days off after you're done to recover from it. Thirdly, teach someone. Teaching someone will re-enforce your skills and keep you from derailing your game... and also give you someone to bitch to about bad down stretches. Fourth, if you can't take a horrible beat you can't do it. If you can't ship it all in on the flop against some nonsense hand who hits PERFECT runner runner (i.e. only a 2 card combo left in the deck for them to win the hand) and take that beat with a smile and a laugh, then you have no business trying to live off the game.
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 02:21 PM

View PostNinja Ace, on Monday, March 8th, 2010, 12:26 PM, said:

In the past few months my sole income has been off of poker... live and online. "It's a hard way to make an easy living" rings ooooooh so very true.First off, if you're living off of it your bankroll has to be huuuuuge in comparison to the stakes you are playing. That 4k you plan on having as your bankroll... yeah... that better be just your bankroll. You will need equal amount of personal finances that are not for poker. You have to really treat it like you're a boss of a business and you give yourself paychecks out of your bankroll... monthly. I've had to drop down in stakes at the end of some months just because I didn't make enough to keep my BR high enough and still give myself the paycheck.Prepare for the biggest emotional ride of your life. Poker will do some sick things for long periods and short periods. It becomes very easy to grossly overestimate your abilities during run goods... and during huge downstretches (which will seem like a freaking eternity in live poker... possibly months) you will begin to question if you can even play properly or profitably anymore.My advice to handle this is as follows. First, you have to be able to play different formats of poker. I have to switch between HU SNG's, 6-max cash, FR cash, and SSing cash just to stay sane and keep my game from getting too warped by recent results. Also, playing different formats will increase your understanding of the game. Second... you cannot and will not succeed if you use drugs or alcohol. Like drinking? Like smokin the occasional reefer? That's fine... but you better plan at least 3 days off after you're done to recover from it. Thirdly, teach someone. Teaching someone will re-enforce your skills and keep you from derailing your game... and also give you someone to bitch to about bad down stretches. Fourth, if you can't take a horrible beat you can't do it. If you can't ship it all in on the flop against some nonsense hand who hits PERFECT runner runner (i.e. only a 2 card combo left in the deck for them to win the hand) and take that beat with a smile and a laugh, then you have no business trying to live off the game.
I agree with everything except the bolded. This may be true for some players but there are a lot of players that can just grind away at one game very successfully.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 10:52 PM

View PostStupidhead, on Monday, March 8th, 2010, 2:21 PM, said:

I agree with everything except the bolded. This may be true for some players but there are a lot of players that can just grind away at one game very successfully.
Those players must have amazing sex lives thenbut playing different formats of NLHE will deeefinitely increase your understanding of the game
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Posted 09 March 2010 - 02:17 AM

View PostNinja Ace, on Tuesday, March 9th, 2010, 4:52 PM, said:

Those players must have amazing sex lives thenbut playing different formats of NLHE will deeefinitely increase your understanding of the game
This is a good way to be medicore at lots of different things, instead of being excellent at one.You decide which is better.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 03:05 AM

View PostDanege, on Tuesday, March 9th, 2010, 8:17 PM, said:

This is a good way to be medicore at lots of different things, instead of being excellent at one.You decide which is better.
Posted ImageThis guy totally agrees with youPosted ImageThis guy does as well.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 04:38 AM

View Postfighter, on Tuesday, March 9th, 2010, 6:05 AM, said:

This guy totally agrees with youThis guy does as well.
:club: That's hilarious.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 07:10 AM

so does that mean I'll have a mediocre sex life?
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Posted 27 March 2010 - 10:43 PM

Updated statsFound a rash of un-raked, organized home games in the area (mostly 1-3NLHE), so I've been playing home games lately and forgoing the drive to AC, along with the rake. Took the advice of some previous posters and put a portion of the bankroll online. Down $125 online through 3,000 hands, mostly due to a leak in playing high pocket pairs post flop. Losing net at .25-.50NLHE, but doing well in lower stakes NLHE and Omaha 8. Planning to stay at lower stakes until the PTBB gets above 6.Anyhow, here are the updated live stats:Bankroll $7,770Net Gains: $2,070Hours: 101$/h: $21$/session: $121Cashed: 13/18.50NLHE +$50 (4h) $12/h.50-1.00NLHE +197 (14h) $14/h1-2NLHE +$1,265 (55h) $23/h1-3NLHE +$668 (30h) $22/h

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Posted 27 March 2010 - 11:27 PM

View PostProvotrout, on Sunday, March 28th, 2010, 2:43 AM, said:

Updated statsFound a rash of un-raked, organized home games in the area (mostly 1-3NLHE), so I've been playing home games lately and forgoing the drive to AC, along with the rake. Took the advice of some previous posters and put a portion of the bankroll online. Down $125 online through 3,000 hands, mostly due to a leak in playing high pocket pairs post flop. Losing net at .25-.50NLHE, but doing well in lower stakes NLHE and Omaha 8. Planning to stay at lower stakes until the PTBB gets above 6.Anyhow, here are the updated live stats:Bankroll $7,770Net Gains: $2,070Hours: 101$/h: $21$/session: $121Cashed: 13/18.50NLHE +$50 (4h) $12/h.50-1.00NLHE +197 (14h) $14/h1-2NLHE +$1,265 (55h) $23/h1-3NLHE +$668 (30h) $22/h
doing well....this just your live stats? i've been doing well too..but i haven't made the jump to online...and i finally told my wife! once she found out how much I made, she reluctantly accepted it for now...

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 06:31 AM

View Postshynepo3, on Sunday, March 28th, 2010, 3:27 AM, said:

doing well....this just your live stats? i've been doing well too..but i haven't made the jump to online...and i finally told my wife! once she found out how much I made, she reluctantly accepted it for now...
What are your stats so far? I don't have any tracking software yet (have a mac) so I can't post official PTBB/100. Got a phone app that tracks live games, but I didn't want to dilute the stats with 1,000s of hands of micro stakes games (not to mention live and online performance are tracked differently). In .10-.25 and below NLHE and Omaha 8 I'm tracking ~5PTBB/100 through 1,500 hands. Unfortunately, I dropped about $200 playing .25-.50NLHE before changing the strategy and shifting to lower stakes.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 07:47 AM

View PostProvotrout, on Sunday, March 28th, 2010, 10:31 AM, said:

What are your stats so far? I don't have any tracking software yet (have a mac) so I can't post official PTBB/100. Got a phone app that tracks live games, but I didn't want to dilute the stats with 1,000s of hands of micro stakes games (not to mention live and online performance are tracked differently). In .10-.25 and below NLHE and Omaha 8 I'm tracking ~5PTBB/100 through 1,500 hands. Unfortunately, I dropped about $200 playing .25-.50NLHE before changing the strategy and shifting to lower stakes.
i dont have them here..they are on my pc work pc cause i was hiding it from my wife...lol...i'll post it tomrrow when i go to work....i know it's over 100 hrs since Jan, and +60 hrly or something....i must be running good...worst losing streak was 3 in a row....

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 12:55 PM

View Postshynepo3, on Sunday, March 28th, 2010, 11:47 AM, said:

i dont have them here..they are on my pc work pc cause i was hiding it from my wife...lol...i'll post it tomrrow when i go to work....i know it's over 100 hrs since Jan, and +60 hrly or something....i must be running good...worst losing streak was 3 in a row....
that's too funny.. hiding poker tracking from the wife! +$60 hourly seems pretty high for 1-2/1-3NL. Definitely good work, though the sample size is still small like mine. From what I've read, $30/h is the upper bound for 1-2NL. Of course, you could keep it up for another 300 hrs and just be an outlier.

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 06:34 PM

View PostProvotrout, on Sunday, March 28th, 2010, 4:55 PM, said:

that's too funny.. hiding poker tracking from the wife! +$60 hourly seems pretty high for 1-2/1-3NL. Definitely good work, though the sample size is still small like mine. From what I've read, $30/h is the upper bound for 1-2NL. Of course, you could keep it up for another 300 hrs and just be an outlier.
i play 2-5, occasionally 1-2 or 5-5, but the bulk is 2-5. not sure i'm even decent, since a lot of hands i post seem to be incorrect (as per other FCP er's)...but, small leaks i can fix anyways..

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Posted 28 March 2010 - 09:55 PM

View PostProvotrout, on Sunday, March 28th, 2010, 2:43 AM, said:

Updated statsFound a rash of un-raked, organized home games in the area (mostly 1-3NLHE), so I've been playing home games lately and forgoing the drive to AC, along with the rake. Took the advice of some previous posters and put a portion of the bankroll online. Down $125 online through 3,000 hands, mostly due to a leak in playing high pocket pairs post flop. Losing net at .25-.50NLHE, but doing well in lower stakes NLHE and Omaha 8. Planning to stay at lower stakes until the PTBB gets above 6.Anyhow, here are the updated live stats:Bankroll $7,770Net Gains: $2,070Hours: 101$/h: $21$/session: $121Cashed: 13/18.50NLHE +$50 (4h) $12/h.50-1.00NLHE +197 (14h) $14/h1-2NLHE +$1,265 (55h) $23/h1-3NLHE +$668 (30h) $22/h
provo...whered u find games in nova? I've been looking for a while

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 01:10 AM

duplicated

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 01:13 AM

View Postdigading, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 1:55 AM, said:

provo...whered u find games in nova? I've been looking for a while
Through a manager at work. Try googling home poker games in NY or something of the like. Should be able to find something.Just got back from a 9hr 1-3NL session. +$375.. the roll keeps growing :club:

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 06:33 AM

live stats so far this year:total hours - 124.25net profit - 8950hrly - 72.03

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 10:53 AM

View Postshynepo3, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 10:33 AM, said:

live stats so far this year:total hours - 124.25net profit - 8950hrly - 72.03
you're at 2-5NL right? $8,950 is juiccccy!

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Posted 29 March 2010 - 11:33 AM

View PostCrookedLink, on Sunday, March 7th, 2010, 4:11 PM, said:

Here's my YTD stats playing 1/2nl at the local charity casino:Hours Played: 60Total Winnings: $1,330Win Rate: $22/hrTotal Sessions: 13This is my first year keeping detailed stats on my live sessions so I really have no idea what my lifetime win rate is in the game (Been playing live since turning 18 in September of 07)I think $22/hr is a pretty sustainable winrate at 1/2nl though. I do plan to put in a ton of hours this coming summer and the plan is to build up a respectable bankroll (~$4k) with aspirations to leave my minimum wage job and grind 200nl full time by this time next year. Honestly even a more moderate winrate of $12-$15/hr would still allow me to sustain my current style of living while at the same time doing something that I both love and gives me the personal freedom that this profession entails. I know I'm coming off as naive and immature for thinking that I've got it all figured out and most will probably tell me I'm destined for epic failure.However, being that I'm only 20 (21 in 6 months) and with virtually no living expenses since I still live at home, I feel like if I really want to take a shot at this poker thing, it's pretty much now or never. It's not like I'm quitting a high paying job either. If I do go broke, I'll just be back to where I am now. But I will have at least given it a shot. I also think the fact that I still live at home and have no major monthly expenses will help me play more comfortable at the tables and handle the downswings a bit better since I won't have to worry about how the hell I'm going to make rent if my flush draw doesn't hit.Thoughts/comments besides the obligatory tp/mm?
i had this idea as well. You should keep your job while you start building a roll @ micro levels. Learn the proper money management skills.i'd bet ur running well right now- a bad run of cards will clean u out . Then what? GL finding another job.Save as much as u can with ur pay checks. With a small seperate amount, put that into a poker site & try to build. This economy is too rough not to have a safety net. *EDIT - do you have a job right now?


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Posted 29 March 2010 - 01:26 PM

View Postdigading, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 1:55 AM, said:

provo...whered u find games in nova? I've been looking for a while
fyi - I googled it and the first hit had a lot of games listed. You should be able to find some loose 2-5NL games in New York with all the bankers and lawyers up there. Good luck-




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