Ak Vs Massive-overshove

[AimHigher 0]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comCO ($24.65)Hero (Button) ($24.30)SB ($11.40)BB ($40.15)UTG ($40.10)MP ($28.70)Preflop: Hero is Button with A , K UTG raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, UTG raises to $28.50, Hero?Villain was 43/0 over 7 hands, so really an unknown.

[fighter 4]

call then win race against JJ

[Polsk33AllIN 0]

Fold for sure. I know that its a massive over bet that doesnt seem like KK or AA but it is enuough to make this a really bad call. Your almost never against a hand that ur in good shape against, so usually best case ur calling for a race. Ur pot odds arent good at all just fold, you can find better spots.PS Ive looked at all of ur posts and in each one your starting the hand with 25$, did u stack off in all of these hands?

[SCS 0]

Fold for sure. I know that its a massive over bet that doesnt seem like KK or AA but it is enuough to make this a really bad call. Your almost never against a hand that ur in good shape against, so usually best case ur calling for a race. Ur pot odds arent good at all just fold, you can find better spots.PS Ive looked at all of ur posts and in each one your starting the hand with 25$, did u stack off in all of these hands?

This is a call. Were are almost always racing or occasionally a significant favorite. Villains will overshove AQ, KQ, etc enough times here to make this call more than profitable.P.S. - Auto top off.

[AimHigher 0]

Fold for sure. I know that its a massive over bet that doesnt seem like KK or AA but it is enuough to make this a really bad call. Your almost never against a hand that ur in good shape against, so usually best case ur calling for a race. Ur pot odds arent good at all just fold, you can find better spots.PS Ive looked at all of ur posts and in each one your starting the hand with 25$, did u stack off in all of these hands?

I four table. They are a selection of like 4 hands from a session of about 1300.

[NoBBiR 0]

I dont hate calling or folding. Flip a coin I guess. No stats I lean towards a call.

[mtdesmoines 2]

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Seven hands is not a sample. Someone shoved 100 BBs into my AK last night at a $100 NL table -- I thought they had been playing very fruity, so I called and caught them holding A6. I don't know what that means in this situation. Massive overshoves are hard to handle, esp with unknowns. I think at the end of the day, this action from the villain is brainless, regardless of his holding, so it's an autocall.

[CobaltBlue 662]

I feel like this is a pretty easy fold actually. The guy opened under the gun and we don't have much info. Against a range of JJ+,AKs,AKo, we're 40%. We're not getting 1.5-1...we're getting a paltry 1.25-1. Hell, even if you throw AQs in there, we're still only looking at being 43% (1.33-1).Also, for what it's worth, I flat here on the button against an UTG raise (even at 6-max) a decent portion of the time.

Seven hands is not a sample. Someone shoved 100 BBs into my AK last night at a $100 NL table -- I thought they had been playing very fruity, so I called and caught them holding A6.

You had a read...that he'd been playing very fruity.

[trystero 0]

Looks like an easy laydown. I'm surprised so many are advocating a call absent reads. Situations like this are responsible for the phrase "tourney donk."I agree with Cobalt that flatting is fine, but if we assign villain a strong range from UTG, I like the 3-bet pf for value (hoping he makes a mistake calling with AQ/AJs/KQ / outflopping his pairs in position) and for information; that way, we don't have to stack off when we flop TPTK to KK/AA.

[KevinFKHS 0]

foldI'd say you are pretty much never ahead here. I guess you can make an argument for calling because youre flipping a lot and in the long run yada yada yada...but throw in the few times he has KK/AA here and throw in the money you loose in rake, all those factors would make it -EV vs. this villain in the long run...so callings dumb imo...fold fold fold all day long

[CobaltBlue 662]

that way, we don't have to stack off when we flop TPTK to KK/AA.

A lot of villains can flat your 3-bet with KK/AA...it'll take us hitting specific boards to stack off. By bloating the pot pre, with stacks as they are, we're actually pretty much guaranteeing that we'll be stacking off if we hit the flop. We just won't be able to fold that shallow. Pretty much the only additional info that we gained is the scenario we find ourself in...when he 4-bet shoves...which means we're probably beat.I'm not saying that we always flat here, and I'm not sure what the percentage is that we should be doing it. That'll depend a lot on reads, image, and table composition. The notion that we're 3-betting and getting away from TPTK is unlikely though.

[trystero 0]

I'd say that pretty much every $25 nl player 4-bets KK/AA here

[AimHigher 0]

Well, I did fold. After the hand I started noticing he was pretty shifty though and two orbits later he 4-bet shoved on me with AQ when I had KK.

[CobaltBlue 662]

I'd say that pretty much every $25 nl player 4-bets KK/AA here

For the sake of analysis, let's say we flat here pre, the blinds fold, and the flop comes Kxx uncoordinated. There's $1.85 in the pot. Let's say he bets $1.25 and we call. Blank turn. He bets $3 into $4.35, we call. Blank river. He bets $8 into $10.35, we call. We spent $13 against that potential AA/KK. Instead, if we 3-bet pre and he flats, there's $5.35 in the pot and we only have ~$21 left. We're almost never getting away from TPTK with that stack size without decent reads.

[trystero 0]

I'm not saying we should ever get away from TPTK once we 3-bet preflop. In fact, once we 3-bet preflop, we're forced to invest our entire stack once we hit. My point was that almost every $25 NL player will 4-bet KK/AA here. So once we 3-bet preflop, we'll find out if we're up against those hands, and then we fold to a 4-bet (a standard play, IMO, in this situation). I think you misunderstood me, because I was implying that we'll never have an opportunity to flop TPTK because we'll fold preflop - not that we fold once we do hit. But that's only a nice side-effect. The real reason for why we're raising is that many villains will call with dominated hands like AQ. Against them we can take their stacks and punish them the maximum for overplaying their holdings. If they're disciplined enough to fold then, great, so be it. We're putting the pressure on them to make a mistake while we're in position.