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#1 TraptSteve

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 01:40 PM

Basically, I'm moving out there with intention of playing poker to supplement my income. (and build a roll)Game of choice is good old 1-2 NL. I plan on playing small MTTs when the WSOP rolls around.I'll have enough money to cover 3 months rent & other living costs, as well as seperate BR with 20 buy-in's (100$).I'll be seeking employment upon arrival to cover my rent/other costs in the coming months.My concerns:1. Is this plausible? I'm 23 years old; worst case senario I move back to Chicago and work at the family business. It is a small starting BR, but then again it won't be my main source of income.2. How are the games down there?In the summer of '07 it was great, but I've read recently that the poker economy is on a downswing. Anyone play the 1-2 NL games around the strip to comment on this?In your opinions, will the 09 WSOP be worth the wait? In terms of a boost to the poker economy...Thanks,Steveps. "Those are 1/2 buy-in's" Doesn't help.Feel free to be brutally honest... just elaborate for my benefit! Thanks


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Posted 25 November 2008 - 01:54 PM

Those are 1/2 buy ins.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 02:19 PM

View PostEl Guapo, on Tuesday, November 25th, 2008, 1:54 PM, said:

Those are 1/2 buy ins.
It annoys me when people skim through an entire post, just to respond with a one-sentence response.If you are going to criticize, atleast provide explanation to back it up. It doesn't really help me.


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Posted 25 November 2008 - 02:46 PM

View PostTraptSteve, on Tuesday, November 25th, 2008, 2:19 PM, said:

It annoys me when people skim through an entire post, just to respond with a one-sentence response.If you are going to criticize, atleast provide explanation to back it up. It doesn't really help me.
If you really don't know this, I don't think you should be moving to Vegas to play live 1-2 NL for a living.Opening bets in this game are between 10-15 dollars. Next bet is going to be 15-30 dollars. Half your stack is in the middle assuming no raises, and this is on a normal hand.Do I need to elaborate any more?

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 02:51 PM

Based on your original post and your response to the first reply, go ahead and move to Vegas. You should be very successful.
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:02 PM

1/2 very soft.. games still good.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:03 PM

There are casinos in Chicago. Do you win at them? If so, then you can win in Vegas at a similar rate. I don't know anything about your job prospects or skills.
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:05 PM

I don't mind playing on a short stack. I'm aware of typical game conditions in 1-2 NL, and aware of the implications it has.Players can be successful using a short-stack strategy in cash games. Ok. Maybe someone can answer the second question...


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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:07 PM

You need to be able to maximize your value in big hands that you want to get paid off for. 50 BB buy ins are not large enough to do this. You definitely want to stay home a little longer and add to your bankroll through your job first. Definitely get a job in Vegas to cover living expenses, especially the first time.
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:16 PM

View PostTraptSteve, on Tuesday, November 25th, 2008, 2:40 PM, said:

Basically, I'm moving out there with intention of playing poker to supplement my income. (and build a roll)Game of choice is good old 1-2 NL. I plan on playing small MTTs when the WSOP rolls around.I'll have enough money to cover 3 months rent & other living costs, as well as seperate BR with 20 buy-in's (100$).I'll be seeking employment upon arrival to cover my rent/other costs in the coming months.My concerns:1. Is this plausible? I'm 23 years old; worst case senario I move back to Chicago and work at the family business. It is a small starting BR, but then again it won't be my main source of income.2. How are the games down there?In the summer of '07 it was great, but I've read recently that the poker economy is on a downswing. Anyone play the 1-2 NL games around the strip to comment on this?In your opinions, will the 09 WSOP be worth the wait? In terms of a boost to the poker economy...Thanks,Steveps. "Those are 1/2 buy-in's" Doesn't help.Feel free to be brutally honest... just elaborate for my benefit! Thanks
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:24 PM

View PostTraptSteve, on Tuesday, November 25th, 2008, 6:05 PM, said:

I don't mind playing on a short stack. I'm aware of typical game conditions in 1-2 NL, and aware of the implications it has.
Do you know what your win rate is? Are you satisfied?
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:24 PM

I've been a consistent winner at 1-2 NL, but this will be the first time I start a roll with it. It is a small starting bankroll, so I'm worried about a bad run wiping it out.Basically, I want to grind 1-2 nl and work... with the goal of building a bankroll that will be ready for the WSOP tourists that roll into town.


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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:29 PM

View PostTraptSteve, on Tuesday, November 25th, 2008, 3:24 PM, said:

I've been a consistent winner at 1-2 NL, but this will be the first time I start a roll with it. It is a small starting bankroll, so I'm worried about a bad run wiping it out.Basically, I want to grind 1-2 nl and work... with the goal of building a bankroll that will be ready for the WSOP tourists that roll into town.
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:30 PM

View PostEl Guapo, on Tuesday, November 25th, 2008, 5:46 PM, said:

If you really don't know this, I don't think you should be moving to Vegas to play live 1-2 NL for a living.Opening bets in this game are between 10-15 dollars. Next bet is going to be 15-30 dollars. Half your stack is in the middle assuming no raises, and this is on a normal hand.Do I need to elaborate any more?
yea, you do. people open for 6x the big blind and then underbet the pot. whats your point?----------------------------and to the OP, if you are hellbent on doing this i think you should save up more. i don't know how you are accustomed to living, but to do this i would think you should have - $2000 just to move there, get an apartment, get settled in - $5000 for living expenses. more is better. - $5000 for poker bankroll. and really I would want 10k for a poker bankroll so I could play 2/5. playing 1/2 its going to be hard to get ahead as you won't be able to make much more than you spend to live. I've actually spent a lot of time thinking about this and I wouldn't try it with less than 20k. if you want my real advice to you; lots of people try this. very few succeed. "family business"? as in you will own a piece one day? far more likely to lead you to a much better life style than this. you're 23. did you finish college? go do that. and last there is no reason why you can't hop on a plane and go play poker for a few days, you can find a 4 day 3 night trip to vegas for like $250 online just about always.
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:34 PM

View PostChet Chetterson, on Tuesday, November 25th, 2008, 3:07 PM, said:

You need to be able to maximize your value in big hands that you want to get paid off for. 50 BB buy ins are not large enough to do this. You definitely want to stay home a little longer and add to your bankroll through your job first. Definitely get a job in Vegas to cover living expenses, especially the first time.
I've been considering staying here and working a little bit longer, atleast past the holidays.And of course the sooner I find work down there, the better.


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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:41 PM

View Postantistuff, on Tuesday, November 25th, 2008, 3:30 PM, said:

yea, you do. people open for 6x the big blind and then underbet the pot. whats your point?----------------------------
Point being, that if he plays 2 pots and gets away from 2 hands, he has to rebuy.He needs to buy in for the full 200-300 depending on card room rules.

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Posted 25 November 2008 - 03:51 PM

View Postantistuff, on Tuesday, November 25th, 2008, 3:30 PM, said:

yea, you do. people open for 6x the big blind and then underbet the pot. whats your point?----------------------------and to the OP, if you are hellbent on doing this i think you should save up more. i don't know how you are accustomed to living, but to do this i would think you should have - $2000 just to move there, get an apartment, get settled in - $5000 for living expenses. more is better. - $5000 for poker bankroll. and really I would want 10k for a poker bankroll so I could play 2/5. playing 1/2 its going to be hard to get ahead as you won't be able to make much more than you spend to live. I've actually spent a lot of time thinking about this and I wouldn't try it with less than 20k. if you want my real advice to you; lots of people try this. very few succeed. "family business"? as in you will own a piece one day? far more likely to lead you to a much better life style than this. you're 23. did you finish college? go do that. and last there is no reason why you can't hop on a plane and go play poker for a few days, you can find a 4 day 3 night trip to vegas for like $250 online just about always.
Yes. My brother, first cousin and I will all have a percentage when our respective fathers retire. My family supports my decision and have told me I'll have a spot in the business.With that in mind...Lets assume I'm going out there with less than the figures you gave, but with the expectation to find a steady job for reliable income. I'll have 3 months rent/expenses set aside to allow me ample time to find a job. Realistically, even if I run like Mike Matusow and blow my BR in 2 weeks, I'll still be able to replenish it. And if I make it past the WSOP and I'm doing nothing but treading water, I can move back home.With all this in mind, is it not worth it to try? I'd rather take the opportunity while its available; I will not be able to try this when I'm working full-time at the business.


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Posted 25 November 2008 - 04:04 PM

View PostTraptSteve, on Tuesday, November 25th, 2008, 3:51 PM, said:

Yes. My brother, first cousin and I will all have a percentage when our respective fathers retire. My family supports my decision and have told me I'll have a spot in the business.With that in mind...Lets assume I'm going out there with less than the figures you gave, but with the expectation to find a steady job for reliable income. I'll have 3 months rent/expenses set aside to allow me ample time to find a job. Realistically, even if I run like Mike Matusow and blow my BR in 2 weeks, I'll still be able to replenish it. And if I make it past the WSOP and I'm doing nothing but treading water, I can move back home.With all this in mind, is it not worth it to try? I'd rather take the opportunity while its available; I will not be able to try this when I'm working full-time at the business.
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 04:10 PM

TraptSteve, I'm going to be really nice to you and offer advice via aim. I tried this a few months ago with nearly the same intentions of you.if you have aim IM me, my sn is edited
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Posted 25 November 2008 - 04:11 PM

Go for it, seriously, if you have a back-up plan in place then I say go do it. If you don't make it at least you will still have a hell of a story to tell plus a job at the family business to fall back on. Good Luck!




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