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[wrto4556]

The limits don't really apply. For the sake of [insert something meaningful here] we will say .01/.02-15/30.You get delt A ,J on the button.Everyone folds to MP3 who open raises (he is a decent player), CO folds, You? (The blinds are average)You get delt 8 ,8 on the button.Everyone folds to the same MP3 player who raise, CO calls, you? (SB is very loose, BB is average).Same hand as above but the SB is tight instead of loose.You get delt 88 UTG. Everyone at the table is average to tight. You?You get delt J ,9 in MP1. UTG (a bad player limps), everyone folds to you, you? ( Everyone behind you is average to tight).You get delt T , 9 on the button. UTG raises (an average player), UTG+1 cals, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, you?You get delt Q ,Q in the BB. UTG raises, folded to MP2 who 3-bets, folded to you. You? (Both players are a little loose, but not horrible).

[Vade]

Ok, let's try it.Hand 1: Call. Reraising gets you nowhereHand 2: Call. (I don't think the loose/tightness of the SB affects this call) Probably wrong there x.xHand 3: Just limp with 88 UTGHand 4: Fold J9 suited hereHand 5: Call. It's a super huge potHand 6: Cap it preflop. Yeah, I said not to earlier, but I was wrong earlier :PNote: I still wouldn't cap with JJHow wrong am I?

[TheIceman05]

I'm gonna take a stab. Please please skewer away.1) AhJh Raise. There are a lot of hands MP3 is raising with here, as the first into the pot. I could be dominated, but there's a good chance I'm against a medium pocket pair or KQ. RAISE. Getting capped here might clear things up a bit.2)88 (analysis deleted for additional thought)UTG- I like to raise with this hand if the table is too tight. I don't really mind getting raised by an aggressive player in the blinds or on the button. If someone in middle position 3 bets us, we're probably behind.3) Jc9c Fold. To many people to act behind me, and my hand is too weak to isolate the early limper. This hand doesn't play well heads up, and I definitely don't want to play for a raise. 4)9hTh I'll 3 bet with this hand (and something like TJs) here. We've got 5 way action to the flop. I'd like to build a pot, here. 5) QQ Call. In this situation, taking the lead preflop does me absolutely no good. I'd much rather see what kind of hand UTG has. If he's confident enough to cap it, we know we're in trouble. Raising here is perfectly fine, and probably the preferred method if the players are very loose-agg. But I know I can outplay them on the flop, and really wanna know what kind of hand the UTG player has

[BigDMcGee]

wrto4556 said:

The limits don't really apply. For the sake of [insert something meaningful here] we will say .01/.02-15/30.You get delt A ,J on the button.Everyone folds to MP3 who open raises (he is a decent player), CO folds, You? (The blinds are average)You get delt 8 ,8 on the button.Everyone folds to the same MP3 player who raise, CO calls, you? (SB is very loose, BB is average).Same hand as above but the SB is tight instead of loose.You get delt 88 UTG. Everyone at the table is average to tight. You?You get delt J ,9 in MP1. UTG (a bad player limps), everyone folds to you, you? ( Everyone behind you is average to tight).You get delt T , 9 on the button. UTG raises (an average player), UTG+1 cals, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, you?You get delt Q ,Q in the BB. UTG raises, folded to MP2 who 3-bets, folded to you. You? (Both players are a little loose, but not horrible).

1 re raise the m32 call the raise...3 still call the raise.. if not for the CO, i would re raise..4 raise from UTG.. tight game, proably better than average chance they will fold to the blinds.. since it is tight, you won't get multiway action like you want anyway, so you might as weell get heads up..5fold6 call and occasionally re raise.. your hand plays great multiway, and occasionally re raising will disguise your play, and your hand..7Cap

[wrto4556]

AJs is a reraise.The 88 hand on the button, is a call since the SB is loose, but a raise if he is tight. It's good to keep it 3-handed with you 88 if you can. If not, it's better to cold call.88 UTG is raise in games that are tight.J9s is a fold. If people behind were more loose, I would be inclined to limp.T9s is an easy call, but occasionally a reraise.QQ is a call. This is one of the few times QQ shouldn't be capped. We should call and see if UTG caps. If so, we have to play with extreme caution. Probably check/fold the flop if it's 2 back to us...unless we trip up.

[rivercardbandit]

wrto4556 said:

The limits don't really apply. For the sake of [insert something meaningful here] we will say .01/.02-15/30.You get delt A ,J on the button.Everyone folds to MP3 who open raises (he is a decent player), CO folds, You? (The blinds are average)Call.You get delt 8 ,8 on the button.Everyone folds to the same MP3 player who raise, CO calls, you? (SB is very loose, BB is average).Call.Same hand as above but the SB is tight instead of loose.Call.You get delt 88 UTG. Everyone at the table is average to tight. You?RaiseYou get delt J ,9 in MP1. UTG (a bad player limps), everyone folds to you, you? ( Everyone behind you is average to tight).FoldYou get delt T , 9 on the button. UTG raises (an average player), UTG+1 cals, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, you?CallYou get delt Q ,Q in the BB. UTG raises, folded to MP2 who 3-bets, folded to you. You? (Both players are a little loose, but not horrible).Cap.

My answers probably explain why I'm not very good.

[RISEorFall]

I like calling with AJ suited in the first hand, and taking advantage of my position. Plus with the flush possibility I want more people in the hand if I make it. 3-betting doesn't give you much better information on his hand unless he caps, but his actions on the flop would. Just my opinion.

[wrto4556]

He's auto-betting any flop most of the time. How does that let you know where you are?Also, 3-betting would be taking control of your position.

[RISEorFall]

By raising his bet and seeing what he does. I think that would tell you more than him calling a 3-bet preflop.

[wrto4556]

You have more fold equity 3-betting preflop. Plus, you isolate a player you think has a worse hand.

[RISEorFall]

Good point. What do you do if he caps? You're almost always dominated.

[wrto4556]

getting 9-1 I would peel the flop and fold the turn if I miss. If he bets into you when an ace flops you do the WA/WB line in position. call call call. Dont raise.EDIT: Bet if checked to.

[avsfan]

You get delt A ,J on the button.Everyone folds to MP3 who open raises (he is a decent player), CO folds, You? (The blinds are average)Reraise. ImhoYou get delt 8 ,8 on the button.Everyone folds to the same MP3 player who raise, CO calls, you? (SB is very loose, BB is average).Reraise/call. ImhoSame hand as above but the SB is tight instead of loose.Reraise/call. ImhoYou get delt 88 UTG. Everyone at the table is average to tight. You?Raise. ImhoYou get delt J ,9 in MP1. UTG (a bad player limps), everyone folds to you, you? ( Everyone behind you is average to tight).Fold. ImhoYou get delt T , 9 on the button. UTG raises (an average player), UTG+1 cals, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, you?Call. ImhoYou get delt Q ,Q in the BB. UTG raises, folded to MP2 who 3-bets, folded to you. You? (Both players are a little loose, but not horrible).Rereaise. ImhoImho

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

The limits don't really apply. For the sake of [insert something meaningful here] we will say .01/.02-15/30.You get delt A ,J on the button.Everyone folds to MP3 who open raises (he is a decent player), CO folds, You? (The blinds are average)threebet time. Many decent players will open raise from the Hijack with many hands that are much worse than yoursYou get delt 8 ,8 on the button.Everyone folds to the same MP3 player who raise, CO calls, you? (SB is very loose, BB is average).coldcall. Threebetting acomplishes nothing here as you aren't isolating the raiser. By calling you are also inducing the blinds to come along, so if a nice flop happens you can expect to bank big hereSame hand as above but the SB is tight instead of loose.still just coldcalling. He'll probably fold anyway. threebetting is just spewage here, IMOYou get delt 88 UTG. Everyone at the table is average to tight. You?looks like a good case for a raise here. Since the table is tight, they will respect your utg raise, so it adds some deception to your hand tooYou get delt J ,9 in MP1. UTG (a bad player limps), everyone folds to you, you? ( Everyone behind you is average to tight).raise. You are isolating a bad player here. Since we can assume that we are better postflop players, we can compensate for our lack of a quality hand with superior postflop decisionsYou get delt T , 9 on the button. UTG raises (an average player), UTG+1 cals, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, you?raise. this is a pumping the pot situation. We have 5 in front of us with a hand that plays better in multiway pots. since we have good equity here, we should raise to tie people to their hands in case of a quality flop. Implied odds are huge hereYou get delt Q ,Q in the BB. UTG raises, folded to MP2 who 3-bets, folded to you. You? (Both players are a little loose, but not horrible)cap. sucks that we are OOP, but our holding generally will be dominating both of the other villians holdings.

questions anyone?

[wrto4556]

Kdawg,read my reply...I disagree with alot of your answers.

[Absolute]

wrto4556 said:

The limits don't really apply. For the sake of [insert something meaningful here] we will say .01/.02-15/30.You get delt A ,J on the button.Everyone folds to MP3 who open raises (he is a decent player), CO folds, You? (The blinds are average)You get delt 8 ,8 on the button.Everyone folds to the same MP3 player who raise, CO calls, you? (SB is very loose, BB is average).Same hand as above but the SB is tight instead of loose.You get delt 88 UTG. Everyone at the table is average to tight. You?You get delt J ,9 in MP1. UTG (a bad player limps), everyone folds to you, you? ( Everyone behind you is average to tight).You get delt T , 9 on the button. UTG raises (an average player), UTG+1 cals, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls, you?You get delt Q ,Q in the BB. UTG raises, folded to MP2 who 3-bets, folded to you. You? (Both players are a little loose, but not horrible).

I'm late to this one, but I will do this without reading replies. These are tough, I am surely to miss a few.AJs - I usually raise here, and that could be bad. I might call depending on the blinds.88 loose - i call here, i might be losing bets doing this. a fold might be better?88 tight - easy 3-bet.J9s - easy fold.109s - call, maybe fold on a loose table.QQ - hmm im not sure, but i am guessing this is a call situation out of position. i probably call the three-bet and check/raise a harmless flop.

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

Kdawg,read my reply...I disagree with alot of your answers.

I wouldn't doubt that you would. Well, I have never been accused of not being aggressive :-) . I see the reasoning behind not capping QQ OOP. J9s I think has a bit to do with it being my favorite hand :wink: , but is my reasoning not solid for why I'd make the plays I said that I'd make

[TheIceman05]

KDawgCometh said:

wrto4556 said:

Kdawg,read my reply...I disagree with alot of your answers.

I wouldn't doubt that you would. Well, I have never been accused of not being aggressive :-) . I see the reasoning behind not capping QQ OOP. J9s I think has a bit to do with it being my favorite hand :wink: , but is my reasoning not solid for why I'd make the plays I said that I'd make

The only one I really really disagree with is the J9s play. I think capping with QQ here is a mistake, for various reasons, but not a very big one. I don't think J9s is the hand we want to get heads-up with a terrible player with. Firstly, if someone wakes up behind us with a reasonable holding, we're in real trouble. Secondly, if the table sees you picking on the player to your right with hands as marginal as J9s, they'll put a stop to it real quick. Thirdly, j9 just doesn't play well heads up, whether our opponent is a donkey or not.Ice

[wrto4556]

Other than those two, the 88 hands with tight blinds is an easy three bet to keep the pot 3 handed.

[TheIceman05]

wrto4556 said:

Other than those two, the 88 hands with tight blinds is an easy three bet to keep the pot 3 handed.

I don't know. I tend to agree with KDawg's call here when the blind is loose. He's apt to call, and I don't mind playing a hand like 88 in a big pot. I'm looking to hit my set or flop some kinda sweet draw. When the small blind is tight, however, I like the raise. DiscussIce