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[wrto4556]

SB is the same dood that rocked my world yesterday. yes, im hard headed as fuck.Button is too loose.5/10 (3 handed)Preflop: I get delt A ,K in the BB.Button calls, SB completes, I raise, Button calls, SB calls.Flop: (6sb) T ,9 ,9 (3 players)SB checks, I bet, Button folds, SB raises, I......with the intention of...

[Dirtydutch]

fold. find a better spot.

[Vade]

call with the intention of folding the turn UI*sigh* Run away from this guy....seriously...just do it your bankroll will thank you later

[wrto4556]

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*sigh* Run away from this guy....seriously...just do it your bankroll will thank you later

I'm positive that's incorrect.

[Emptyeye]

Call.Fold the turn UI.Where I'm stuck is what to do if you DO improve. He'll almost certainly lead the turn, and I'm not sure if calling or raising is the better line (While he obviously doesn't need the nine to make this move, he could very well have it. He could also be on the flush draw where if an A or K comes you're going to be in a world of hurt on the turn. And of course there's the possibility he has 98 and you're drawing practically dead.)I do think the proper action to take for your BR's sake here is "Fold, get up, leave the table, and seek some weaker competition."

[RISEorFall]

Call. Lead the turn, fold to a 3-bet UI. Very possible he thinks you didn't hit and is trying to steal it.

[wrto4556]

He could have QJ, J8, Ax , actually, any two hearts...a small pair...or nothing.ORHe could have a T, a medium pair, or a 9.I decided to call down UI as long as a heart never hit the board. I fold to a heart. Call down an A or K, too. Bet if checked to.Any reason why you guys don't like?

[RISEorFall]

Or he could be check/raising on a stone cold bluff thinking you missed completely and will fold to aggression. Actually, if he knew you personally at all he wouldn't think so, but against a random player this could be the case. I'd lead the turn, but I'm way too aggressive sometimes. With your table image that this guy probably sees, calling down ish goot. EDIT: haha! you can't lead the turn. for some reason I missed that. bet if checked to. I think you might've said that tho...

[wrto4556]

I can't lead the turn because im in position.What about raising the turn? (fold to a 3-bet and take a free showdown if offered. FPS?)

[RISEorFall]

Yeah I just got that you can't lead the turn. I knew this I don't know why my brain didn't process it. Been up since 7:30 this morning I guess...Definately bet if he checks, raise if he bets. I might call down if he 3-bets but I haven't played with the guy enough to know if he has something or not.

[Emptyeye]

Any chance of 78 or that he was slowplaying a huge pocket pair?It's an interesting case (Particularly for me coming from a micro-limit ring game background)...there's a lot of stuff here he could be doing this with that you're ahead of. There's also a decent amount of stuff you're behind here (Even 22 is ahead of you here). I dunno, it's hard.What's the likelihood he's doing this with absolutely nothing--no pair, no real draw? I think I still like calling and folding the turn UI, as a decent amount of the deck represents a scary card in some fashion depending on what you put him on, not to mention the fact he could always have T9 (I said 98 in my previous post, which was incorrect) and has you plastered to the wall.I do like the idea of calling down if you do improve. TPTK may well not be good here, but I don't think it's something you can throw away in this situation either.

[wrto4556]

Emptyeye said:

Any chance of 78 or that he was slowplaying a huge pocket pair?It's an interesting case (Particularly for me coming from a micro-limit ring game background)...there's a lot of stuff here he could be doing this with that you're ahead of. There's also a decent amount of stuff you're behind here (Even 22 is ahead of you here). I dunno, it's hard.What's the likelihood he's doing this with absolutely nothing--no pair, no real draw? I think I still like calling and folding the turn UI, as a decent amount of the deck represents a scary card in some fashion depending on what you put him on, not to mention the fact he could always have T9 (I said 98 in my previous post, which was incorrect) and has you plastered to the wall.I do like the idea of calling down if you do improve. TPTK may well not be good here, but I don't think it's something you can throw away in this situation either.

Now we're getting somewhere.He would check/raise this flop with any T and a medium pocket pair. I am fairly certain that he would NOT play a boat or a nine this way. He would, however, play almost any draw this way. J8, J7, QJ, KQ, two hearts and so on. Obviously, the check/raise on this particulat flop is clearly a semi-bluff more times than it's a better hand.The interesting part is what cards do I fold to? Obviously the J and 7 .But what about Q or J or 7? Call the turn and fold the river UI?

[RISEorFall]

With the range of hands you're putting him on, it's hard to say what cards are death cards for you. Even a heart may not be bad for you if he's just open ended. 8's and J's seem like the scariest cards as those most likely either give him his straight or at the least pair him up. I say whatever comes off on the turn, bet if he checks and raise if he bets. You'll probably get a free showdown unless he hits a straight/flush.

[KDawgCometh]

I forget. is he a donk again?

[wrto4556]

KDawgCometh said:

I forget. is he a donk again?

No.

[monoatomic]

This is the guy you said yesterday was a very tricky player.I have a feeling he has nothing.He saw you raise preflop so he knows you have something. Flop comes down and unless you have a PP you probably didnt' bet with a holding of a 10 or 9.You lead out the flop and he figures he's going to steal it from you. I would do the same thing if that flop came down. Raising from the BB usually means you have a hand seeing as how you are out of position. You betting out pretty much screams that you missed whatever you were holding in your hand or you have a big pair and don't want to let the flush or straight draw on you. So, cap the flop, lead out the turn improved or not. This way if he does raise you on the turn you can figure him to have you and can fold. I believe though that he is going to muck the hand when you lead the turn or re-raise you if he has a made hand.

[BigDMcGee]

wrto4556 said:

I can't lead the turn because im in position.What about raising the turn? (fold to a 3-bet and take a free showdown if offered. FPS?)

That board is too connected, too many draws he could have, too much you can already beat.. raise turn for free show down, fold to a three bet, fold if turns a heart..

[wrto4556]

Im too likely to be behind to cap but not likely enough to be behind to fold so I would call this down provided the next cards are blanks.He bet a blank turn and I called.He check the river, I checked and took down the pot with AK UI.He had A , 8

[RISEorFall]

Again, he can't lead the turn. And the guy doesn't have to have 2 hearts, so folding to another heart might not be the best idea either. What does capping the flop do? Why would you rather cap the flop than raise the turn? Raising the turn looks more like a stop n go which would be more likely to get a free showdown.

[BigDMcGee]

raising on the turn for a free show down on the river.. that way, if he is on a draw, then you charge him extra to get there on the turn.. and if he's made, he's really unlikely to be unless he has a really big hand, and then he'll re raise the turn, and you can muck