Al Qaeda Slam Obama

[nutzbuster 7]

Calling him a "house negro who is doing the bidding of the white man".Very rational folks these.I'm sure they will respond well to some talking, a nice little sit down should change their minds. Maybe some tea and goat head soup and a hug or 2 for good measure?I hope and pray Powell talks some tough sense into this administration.

[FCP Bob 1,323]

Calling him a "house negro who is doing the bidding of the white man".Very rational folks these.I'm sure they will respond well to some talking, a nice little sit down should change their minds. Maybe some tea and goat head soup and a hug or 2 for good measure?I hope and pray Powell talks some tough sense into this administration.

Come on Nutz. I hope you realize that nobody at any point has suggested negotiating with Al Queda so your point here is kinda silly. There is a World of difference between Al Queda and The Taliban for example and anybody with a brain in their heads realizes that any solution in Afghanistan will involve The Taliban no matter how much you may not like them.

[Balloon guy 158]

Come on Nutz. I hope you realize that nobody at any point has suggested negotiating with Al Queda so your point here is kinda silly. There is a World of difference between Al Queda and The Taliban for example and anybody with a brain in their heads realizes that any solution in Afghanistan will involve The Taliban no matter how much you may not like them.

Not if we kill them first.

[nutzbuster 7]

Come on Nutz. I hope you realize that nobody at any point has suggested negotiating with Al Queda so your point here is kinda silly. There is a World of difference between Al Queda and The Taliban for example and anybody with a brain in their heads realizes that any solution in Afghanistan will involve The Taliban no matter how much you may not like them.

My point was, their attitude already clearly shows that they have no intentions of talking anything out with anyone. Period.

[FCP Bob 1,323]

Not if we kill them first.

So you want to kill a large percentage of the population of Afghanistan ?The Taliban isn't some fringe group eventhough their policies are extreme conservative Islam. Al Queda used to be a very small fringe group but after 9/11 that all changed due to a combination of many factors and if we stopped fearing them so much their effect wouldn't be very large here in North America but we of course have overreacted which has played into their hands and was the result they hoped for.

[FCP Bob 1,323]

My point was, their attitude already clearly shows that they have no intentions of talking anything out with anyone. Period.

They are a totally extreme Terrorist group on the far far fringe of things and nobody at any point has ever suggested that you can or should negotiate with Al Queda. Now many of the issues that cause people in the Muslim World to sympathize with them need to be negotiated but those negotiations won't involve Al Queda.

[Balloon guy 158]

So you want to kill a large percentage of the population of Afghanistan ?

Actually yes.Just because they are a 'large percentage of the population' doesn't change the fact that they are the ones we are at war with.

The Taliban isn't some fringe group eventhough their policies are extreme conservative Islam. Al Queda used to be a very small fringe group but after 9/11 that all changed due to a combination of many factors and if we stopped fearing them so much their effect wouldn't be very large here in North America but we of course have overreacted which has played into their hands and was the result they hoped for.

So if we can forgive them for 9-11 and get back to pre 9-11 apathy, then 9-11 won't happen again?I guess the logic there eludes me.But killing them then not having to worry about them, that logic makes sense to me

[hblask 1]

My point was, their attitude already clearly shows that they have no intentions of talking anything out with anyone. Period.

I believe Obama's campaign comments were in regard to talking with Iran, or groups within Iran.I hope you are not buying the Bush Lie that Iraq = Iran = Afghanistan = Al Qeda = Taliban.

[FCP Bob 1,323]

Actually yes.Just because they are a 'large percentage of the population' doesn't change the fact that they are the ones we are at war with. So if we can forgive them for 9-11 and get back to pre 9-11 apathy, then 9-11 won't happen again?I guess the logic there eludes me.But killing them then not having to worry about them, that logic makes sense to me

Al Queda caused 9/11 and yes they should be killed or captured.The Taliban was the government of Afghanistan and however distasteful they are they were no threat to other countries and certainly not the United States. The only reason that we're at War with them is that we have invaded their country and the Afghans have resisted against every outside power that has ever tried to invade them and nobody has succeeded.The Taliban like most people in Afghanistan just want to be left alone in their own little Muslim World where they can treat their Women like shit.

[Balloon guy 158]

I believe Obama's campaign comments were in regard to talking with Iran, or groups within Iran.I hope you are not buying the Bush Lie that Iraq = Iran = Afghanistan = Al Qeda = Taliban.

Bush lie? Yea, that was what he said Last I checked pretty much everyone agrees that Taliba supporting Al Qeda means taliban = Al Qeda at least in regards to trusting them and what we are going to do to them.

[SAM_Hard8 50]

Al Queda caused 9/11 and yes they should be killed or captured.The Taliban was the government of Afghanistan and however distasteful they are they were no threat to other countries and certainly not the United States. The only reason that we're at War with them is that we have invaded their country and the Afghans have resisted against every outside power that has ever tried to invade them and nobody has succeeded.The Taliban like most people in Afghanistan just want to be left alone in their own little Muslim World where they can treat their Women like shit.

The Taliban supported AQ and allowed them to operate freely in Afghanistan, that made them a HUGE threat to US.Far right Muslims like the Taliban want the entire world to be under their rules. It is extremely naive to think they just want to sit in their little country and be left alone.

[Balloon guy 158]

Al Queda caused 9/11 and yes they should be killed or captured.The Taliban was the government of Afghanistan and however distasteful they are they were no threat to other countries and certainly not the United States. The only reason that we're at War with them is that we have invaded their country and the Afghans have resisted against every outside power that has ever tried to invade them and nobody has succeeded.The Taliban like most people in Afghanistan just want to be left alone in their own little Muslim World where they can treat their Women like shit.

Well, the transformation is complete.There was a time a few years ago when even the left admitted that we needs to invade Afghanistan and defeat the Taliban for giving safe haven and support to Al Qeda. ( they have a name for that kind of support; ally)But now that Bush is out, that will soon become twisted to be another wrong war at the wrong time. I'm sure we can declare victory and let the Taliban back in charge as long as they promise not to give complete and total support to any group AFTER they kill thousands of Americans at work. (Before they kill thousands is fine, because we have to show them how much we want to get along.)Lucky for you Bob, the USA is carrying the fight to the terrorist. Because if the Canadians ran things, we would probably have to shut our border with you guys since many terrorist have an easy time coming into your country and use the northern border to enter the US.

[nutzbuster 7]

They are a totally extreme Terrorist group on the far far fringe of things and nobody at any point has ever suggested that you can or should negotiate with Al Queda. Now many of the issues that cause people in the Muslim World to sympathize with them need to be negotiated but those negotiations won't involve Al Queda.

All I know is that the incoming administration has indicated that they will be much more willing to have sit downs, and this is fine under the right circumstances.But our enemies are not about sitting down to talk anything and sure as hell can not be trusted. My fear (however ignorant it may seem) is that we may start to soften up on the groups and related groups that want to kill us.Al Qaeda's comments today is a clear reminder that we need to stay tough and relentless. And I am not saying Obama won't...but I don't know that for sure. Does anyone?

[FCP Bob 1,323]

The Taliban supported AQ and allowed them to operate freely in Afghanistan, that made them a HUGE threat to US.Far right Muslims like the Taliban want the entire world to be under their rules. It is extremely naive to think they just want to sit in their little country and be left alone.

The Muslim World is very very complex and can't be explained by simple analysis.There is no question that the goals of many of the Muslim extremists is the elimination of Western influence in the Middle East and the rest of the Muslim World and the destruction of Isreal. That does not mean that just because somebody is an extremely Conservative Muslim that they share those goals.They do not want the entire World to be under their control but they do want the Muslim World to be free of Western influence.

[hblask 1]

Part of Al Qaeda's statement today:"And be aware that the dogs of Afghanistan have found the flesh of your soldiers to be delicious, so send thousands after thousands to them."These guys are GOOD at propaganda!

[FCP Bob 1,323]

Lucky for you Bob, the USA is carrying the fight to the terrorist. Because if the Canadians ran things, we would probably have to shut our border with you guys since many terrorist have an easy time coming into your country and use the northern border to enter the US.

Bullshit.None of the 9/11 terrorists came in through Canada and more Canadians have died in the fighting in Afghanistan than from any country other than the US.I wish things were as simple as you make them out to be but they aren't simple.

[FCP Bob 1,323]

Good new book on the causes of much of the Muslim anger towards the West and the cause of Terrorism. I've only read a few exerpts but I think I'll walk over to the book store today and pick up a copy.http://www.amazon.com/American-Raj-Liberat...3875&sr=1-1http://www.voanews.com/english/AmericanLif...11-14-voa52.cfm

New Book Explores Roots of Muslim Anger at U.S. By Mohamed Elshinnawi Washington14 November 2008 The origins of the mistrust between the West and many of the world's Muslims - and how to resolve it - are the focus of a new book called American Raj: Liberation or Domination? American author Eric Margolis, a veteran Middle East correspondent, foreign policy analyst and syndicated columnist, says it will take meaningful actions, not better public relations, to build new bridges between the West and the Muslim world. VOA's Mohamed Elshinnawi spoke with the author and prepared this report. Eric Margolis is a veteran Middle East correspondent and foreign policy analyst In American Raj, - whose title recalls the 19th- and 20th-century British occupation of India - Eric Margolis takes readers on an eye-opening and provocative journey across the political and cultural landscape of the Muslim world. It is a landscape fraught with violence, anger and hatreds fueled by what Margolis calls the still-raw wounds of past defeats and human tragedies.Margolis contends the Muslim world's anger is rooted, first, in the decades of colonial control of the Middle East by Western nations, and then by the continuing influence leaders in the United States and other western governments have sought to exert over the rulers of the region's Muslim states. Margolis recounts how many of these rulers have been dictators and how their undemocratic and often oppressive governments have sparked public hostility toward their Western patrons and toward America in particular. Margolis says he wrote American Raj to help Americans understand why the Muslim world often seems hostile to the United States "I stepped back into early 19th century and showed the steady progression of resistance in the Muslim world to Western colonialism - first European colonialism and then the domination by the West - and I am trying to put the context of violent groups in the Muslim world in a context of resistance to occupation rather than as being motivated by religion, as certain people in the U.S. claim," Margolis says. Margolis says one of his primary goals in writing this book was to help Americans understand why the Muslim world often seems so hostile to the United States. He says the long-simmering Arab-Israeli situation - and what he calls America's uneven handling of this conflict - have been fueling Muslims' anger for decades, and Margolis contends the U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have added more fuel to that fire. "There are many other reasons for this antagonism. The primary reason, and the most important one, is the continued American and Western - French and British - backing of nondemocratic regimes across the Muslim world," Margolis says. "I call this the primary source of what we say is terrorism."But certainly, resolving the issue of Palestine, I think, would drop [reduce] the anger towards the West by 40 to 50 percent in the Muslim world, because it is the outstanding issue. "And it also: A, reminds many Muslim people that their governments have been completely unable to do anything about this tragedy, and B, they are angry at themselves for not being able to do it." There was a time, Margolis says, when the United States was widely perceived as a positive force in the region's geopolitics. He says when President Dwight Eisenhower was in office during the 1950s, the U.S. was regarded with enormous admiration and affection across the Muslim world. It was seen then as a liberator and a counterbalance to the historically exploitive European powers.Margolis cites Eisenhower's famous 1961 farewell address to the nation, in which he warned against what he called the unwarranted influence of the military-industrial complex in the United States. Margolis doesn't think U.S. leaders have heeded that warning. He believes that powerful complex has gradually turned U.S. policy in the Muslim world away from one of friendship and liberation to one of backing dictatorial regimes and supporting Israel, above all. And that approach, Margolis says, has had disastrous consequences for America. "It has earned great hatred for the West. It is responsible for the clash that the U.S. has now with the Muslim world," Margolis says. "It was responsible for 9/11, and it is going to continue until the U.S. really practices what it is preaching and advances its values - that is, helping the Muslim world move toward genuine democracy and good governments."In American Raj, Margolis argues that the United States needs to rethink its so-called war on terror. U.S. policymakers, he believes, must recognize that many of the violent groups confronting American interests are doing so not because they hate Americans or their values, but because of the American military presence in and perceived domination of the Muslim world.Margolis cites a recent poll by the private World Public Opinion Research organization which found that in Morocco, Egypt, Indonesia and Pakistan - all important American allies - 75 percent of the people questioned said they believe the primary goal of American foreign policy is to undermine Islam or destroy it. While Margolis believes that perception is a false one, he says the U.S. needs to change it through concrete actions, such as brokering a peaceful, just settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian problem, ending U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and showing more friendship to the Muslim peoples. "We have got to start changing dictatorial regimes across the Muslim world, stop supporting them, and when free elections bring regimes to power that we do not like, - like the Islamists in Algeria or Hamas in Palestine - we have got to accept this," he says. "This is democracy. Democracy means putting up with people you do not like and having to listen to them, not overthrowing them and trying to starve them to death." In his book, American Raj: Liberation or Domination? Margolis urges the United States to acknowledge that Muslims have legitimate political grievances and to support struggling democratic institutions in the Muslim world. He criticizes the angry rhetoric of some fundamentalist groups in the U.S. who speak of an inexorable clash between civilizations. But Margolis believes Muslims, too, must abandon inflammatory language and condemn the use of violence if the United States and the Muslim world are ever to be reconciled.

[nutzbuster 7]

Bullshit.None of the 9/11 terrorists came in through Canada and more Canadians have died in the fighting in Afghanistan than from any country other than the US.I wish things were as simple as you make them out to be but they aren't simple.

Actually, yes they did.They were dressed as Maple Leafs, but since no one gives a damn about them they just walked across unnoticed.

[SAM_Hard8 50]

They do not want the entire World to be under their control but they do want the Muslim World to be free of Western influence.

what's the difference?BTW they want the world to be free of western influences not just their part of it.

[nutzbuster 7]

Part of Al Qaeda's statement today:"And be aware that the dogs of Afghanistan have found the flesh of your soldiers to be delicious, so send thousands after thousands to them."These guys are GOOD at propaganda!

ummm....I'll let this stand on it's own.

[SAM_Hard8 50]

[FCP Bob 1,323]

LOL, and then you make love to their Women just like Kirk did.

[irishguy 14]

All I know is that the incoming administration has indicated that they will be much more willing to have sit downs, and this is fine under the right circumstances.But our enemies are not about sitting down to talk anything and sure as hell can not be trusted. My fear (however ignorant it may seem) is that we may start to soften up on the groups and related groups that want to kill us.Al Qaeda's comments today is a clear reminder that we need to stay tough and relentless. And I am not saying Obama won't...but I don't know that for sure. Does anyone?

The thing that you're misrepresenting is that not once has Obama mentioned sitting down with Al Qaeda, he talked about sitting down with leaders of different countries that the U.S doesn't see eye to eye with. That is a world of difference and a notion that continues to perpetuate an ignorant stereotype of Obama.

[Balloon guy 158]

Good new book on the causes of much of the Muslim anger towards the West and the cause of Terrorism. I've only read a few exerpts but I think I'll walk over to the book store today and pick up a copy.http://www.amazon.com/American-Raj-Liberat...3875&sr=1-1http://www.voanews.com/english/AmericanLif...11-14-voa52.cfm

Sell your oil to the west, expect the west to be involved.Sell your opium to the west, expect the west to be involved.They don't want to be left alone, they want to run things. They went too far, now they are getting their butts kicked.Afghanistan went down hill when the UN got involved, and Iraq became more and more stable. Now it's time to get back in there and remind them that they are nothing in the scheme of things.While they can find a communal voice to denounce cartoons in the Netherlands but are unable to find a voice to denounce the beheadings of journalist and aid workers, and while they place their alligence to anyone of the same faith, regardless of what they have done above all others, then I have no sympathy or care for the muslim world as a whole. I would gladly let them live, but I will not bend over backwards and let them dictate anything anymore. They lost that right when they danced in the streets over the 9-11 attacks.Luckily for the passive people on the left people who agree with me are protecting them from their niavete.

[nutzbuster 7]

LOL, and then you make love to their Women just like Kirk did.

What did the King of England say in Braveheart?..."If you can't drive them out, BREED them out!".