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[grocery_mony]

Deffinatly could be a desperate attempt to extort money from a company that probally doesnt want the spotlight on its ownership structure. But she has been there since pretty much the start and if everyone else who was there from the start has a peice it makes you think there might be a case here. Sure she has done pretty much nothing to promote FTP with her performance but if she was promised something that should be irrelevant.

[rawkodd]

verbal contracts exceding $500 are not legally binding

[DanielNegreanu]

AmScray, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 1:37 PM, said:

One of two things are possible here. 1) Lederer has "verbal agreements" with all of the involved parties, thus there aren't any written contracts. Suddenly, when FTP becomes an absolute beast of a website and 1% is an extremely sizable portion of money, Clonie is viewed as the weakest link amongst the sponsored pros, and is cut out unfairly. If this is the case, every single person named in that suit will have to be willing to lie under oath to benefit FTP. 2) Lederer really does have contracts with all of the other people, in which case, they will provide them in court, show that they have documented, contractual interest with their sponsored pros and Clonie is just bitter that she was never invited to the party as an "official" stakeholder.Either way, given the relative 'grayness' of US citizens operating and benefiting from a partially offshore partially onshore gaming operation, it could be very, very bad ffor Lederer and crew.

Or 3) She has gone absolutely ding bat crazy and is making things up. There is just no freaking way they'd offer her 1%, no freaking way. This feels more like crazy ex-girlfriend extortion than anything else. I really hope she doesn't get away with this, luckily I don't think she will. What an idiot.

[Dirtydutch]

DanielNegreanu, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 2:12 PM, said:

Or 3) She has gone absolutely ding bat crazy and is making things up. There is just no freaking way they'd offer her 1%, no freaking way. This feels more like crazy ex-girlfriend extortion than anything else. I really hope she doesn't get away with this, luckily I don't think she will. What an idiot.

...And now we see why consequence ever came of my Rape Clonie campaign.

[AcesUp46]

Maybe Clonie is suing FTP cos they are not letting her add rakeback to her account?

[IQCrash]

DanielNegreanu, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 2:12 PM, said:

Or 3) She has gone absolutely ding bat crazy and is making things up. There is just no freaking way they'd offer her 1%, no freaking way. This feels more like crazy ex-girlfriend extortion than anything else. I really hope she doesn't get away with this, luckily I don't think she will. What an idiot.

Heh, you're one cool SOB. If we ever run into one another, vegan strippers and tofu coke is on me.

[Stiles2004]

What happens to people when they become rich and famous? They get sued by someone who says they were promised something yada yada yadaYou never sue to go to trial, you sue to settle... she turns down 250k, gets lawyered up, sues for a brazillion dollars, and settles out of courtNow, doesn't she make a 'career' or sorts out of poker? She's gonna see these dudes (and lady) at tournies, and of course these fellows are mostly all well respected, so they'll have some ponies in their stable

[nutzbuster]

DanielNegreanu, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 3:12 PM, said:

Or 3) She has gone absolutely ding bat crazy and is making things up. There is just no freaking way they'd offer her 1%, no freaking way. This feels more like crazy ex-girlfriend extortion than anything else. I really hope she doesn't get away with this, luckily I don't think she will. What an idiot.

lol.I vote for this plus running bad and broke. gg career

[Snake Plissken]

LOL"ehrm my name is Cycalona and I think it would be cool to sue a lot of people. I suck at the pokah and it pisses me off. So jealous of the guys who really can play so I've decided to get medieval on Ivey, E-dog, Lederer, Juanda and a whole bunch of other guys who reguarly sodimizes me on and off the table."I don't like to be mean but that's just so stupid. Greedy s.o.b IMO

[mtdesmoines]

BigDMcGee, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 11:51 AM, said:

Well, again, she may be hated by the online poker community, but they don't exactly love her to begin with anyway. And, I doubt she'll be hated by the non-tilt pros in the "superstar" community, because I mean, it's just a contract dispute, and what she's doing isn't something that any one of us didn't do. Again, if her allegations are true, they are basically trying to steal millions of dollars from her. That's not right. It doesn't matter how bad of a player she is or if she "deserves" the money or not. She deserves it because IF she's contractually guaranteed it.

DanielNegreanu, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 12:32 PM, said:

1. Bad for Poker.2. I'd bet $50,000 that she has no contract stating she owns 1% of the company.3. This will cause her a lot of personal pain.4. She'll spend more in lawyer fees than she'll get in a settlement.5. I don't believe that she was ever an owner of any percentage of FTP.

CobaltBlue, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 12:40 PM, said:

It would be really odd for Lederer et al to just stiff her if there's a contract. I don't see what benefit they'd have to withholding that 1%.

I kind of think there's no way with all the crap going on around poker that FT wants bad publicity. Maybe they are making so much bank they don't care / can handle it.

DanielNegreanu, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 2:12 PM, said:

Or 3) She has gone absolutely ding bat crazy and is making things up. There is just no freaking way they'd offer her 1%, no freaking way. This feels more like crazy ex-girlfriend extortion than anything else. I really hope she doesn't get away with this, luckily I don't think she will. What an idiot.

I guess that's fairly definitive.Eeeeek

[BigDMcGee]

Stiles2004, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 4:36 PM, said:

Now, doesn't she make a 'career' or sorts out of poker? She's gonna see these dudes (and lady) at tournies, and of course these fellows are mostly all well respected, so they'll have some ponies in their stable

yeah, but again, so what? If she gets millions from this lawsuit, so what if team full tilt hates her. What are they going to do, Slow roll her? They can't keep her out of tournaments or keep her from playing cash games, so if she's a winning pro ( ahahhahaha) she'll continue to win. She obviously wasn't getting paid by full tilt before, so it's not like anything less can happen now.

[Painter567]

BigDMcGee, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 7:06 PM, said:

yeah, but again, so what? If she gets millions from this lawsuit, so what if team full tilt hates her. What are they going to do, Slow roll her? They can't keep her out of tournaments or keep her from playing cash games, so if she's a winning pro ( ahahhahaha) she'll continue to win. She obviously wasn't getting paid by full tilt before, so it's not like anything less can happen now.

[NoSup4U]

AcesUp46, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 4:28 PM, said:

Maybe Clonie is suing FTP cos they are not letting her add rakeback to her account?

LOL POTD imo :)Mark

[pezeveng]

[Painter567]

pezeveng, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 7:18 PM, said:

LOL!

[Dirtydutch]

pezeveng, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 5:18 PM, said:

It took me a while to figure out that was fake.

[babylondonks]

Dirtydutch, on Sunday, November 16th, 2008, 11:28 AM, said:

It took me a while to figure out that was fake.

[cwik]

NoSup4U, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 12:49 PM, said:

FTP is on my bad side right now, so I'm rooting for Clonie :)Mark

this made me LOL.

[mase_gotsem]

clonie is obv back on the meth train and is going through her wealth at a very fast pace,so to make sure she has enuff meth to last her until shes in her 100s she is sueing full tilt .id really like to know who owns how much shares in ftp/tiltware and how filthy rich they are.

[timwakefield]

rawkodd, on Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 4:55 PM, said:

verbal contracts exceding $500 are not legally binding

On the other hand, yes they are in most jurisdictions.Also I think you mean oral contracts. FWIW that goes for everybody else in this discussion: you mean oral contract, not verbal contract. A verbal contract can be written or spoken.