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#1 DKE_XP120

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Posted 14 May 2005 - 11:02 PM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [Kd], [Ks]. 1 fold.Flop: (7.50 SB) [Qh], [9s], [4d] (3 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Turn: (8.25 BB) [5h] (2 players)Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.River: (10.25 BB) [3c] (2 players)Hero checks, MP3 checks.Final Pot: 10.25 BBno reads on him yet, he just hopped down at the table. Was this too weak?

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Posted 14 May 2005 - 11:03 PM

I would have bet/called the turn.
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Posted 14 May 2005 - 11:03 PM

He probably had TPTK on board. Bet the river.

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Posted 14 May 2005 - 11:10 PM

lead the turn, makes your life eaiser. if raised then go into call down
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Posted 14 May 2005 - 11:16 PM

This looks like a grossly overplayed AQIf he raises it up on the turn, you can start giving him credit for having fast-played a set, or being terrible, and call his ass down to the riv-riv. Ice

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 01:45 AM

you have to lead that turn for value, just in case he tried to grow a brain and reraise you cheaply on the flop for a free card with JT. bet/call if reraised, check call river.

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 02:49 AM

DKE_XP120 said:

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [Kd], [Ks].    1 fold.Flop: (7.50 SB) [Qh], [9s], [4d] (3 players)Hero bets, Hero calls.Turn: (8.25 BB) [5h] (2 players)Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.River: (10.25 BB) [3c] (2 players)Hero checks, MP3 checks.Final Pot: 10.25 BBno reads on him yet, he just hopped down at the table.  Was this too weak?
Well, he could have one of three things... the first thing is a better hand than you ( which would probably be a set of nine's or fours, since he didn't re reais e pre flop, which he proably would with AA QQ, and Q nine , q four and four nine are unlikey...the second hand he could have is a worse hand, AQ KQ , JJ 10 10 being the most likely in order of handthe third hand he could have is a draw, which would almost have to be jack ten. His action on the flop means nothing, people commonly cap top pair top kicker boards.. the board is fairly scrambled, so two pair unlikely... I would proably check raise the turn, and bet the river, as I think overplaying top pair is the most likely result... these are the situations that make you a winning player, sqeezing extra bets out of top pair. It's not a terrible play to shut down after a capped from, and check call, but since it's not multiway anymore, I think your over pair is by mostly likely to be the best hand.

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Posted 15 May 2005 - 02:56 AM

the only hand that he is likly be trying to pump a draw/ get a freecard with is j10 exactly, there's no flush draw. And it's not that likely he called a raise cold first with jack ten, alot of people do make plays like this, but alot don't.. I think, given the board, that by far his most likely hand is top pair, top kicker, and you can check to him wiht impunity, 'cause he's going to bet.. if he three bets it, then you can think about folding, since you've given all the warning signs of over pair, and he'd still raise... but I really think check raising is the best way to go, not many free cards to worry about, and no reason to think he's going for a free card, no reason to think he's not going to bet the turn for you...how I actually would have played it is betting the flop, and gotten raised, and just call, going for the check raise on the turn... which would made the same amount of money that you did...

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