j4o in the bb

[wrto4556 0]

reads: UTG is loose and passive-but not too bad.Button is semi-loose and passive...very passive.SB is retarded, I think.5/10 (5 handed)Preflop: I get delt J ,4 in the BB.UTG calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, I check.Flop: (4sb) 8 ,J ,5 (4 players)SB checks, I bet, UTG calls, Button folds, SB calls.Turn: (3.5BB) 5 (3 players)SB checks, I bet, UTG calls, SB folds.River: (5.5BB) K (2 players)I...with the intention of...

[Dirtydutch 9]

I don't get it?

[rwood 0]

i play NL more, but imo, the case for check calling i believe is strongest, the only way you get called here is by a hand that beats you, i mean unless this guy's a complete dumfuk and callig you down with middle pair. the flush hit, the straight didnt, cept the bellybuster, i just see that you may be outkicked if he has tp, he may be waiting to reraise till the river also because you have lead out when the flush hit, so he just smooth called to try to get max value out of his hand...i see a bet as useless the only hands you push out are one's that dont beat you, while your raise will almost surely only be called or raised by a hand that beats you....also what came to mind may be bottom set, usually i like to raise with most pp in NL but i usually limp with 66-22 trying to hit a set, if he hit it the flush card may have scared him so he decides to check -call it down....i dunno, many variables, but i would def. check call, please feel free to rip me a new ******* on this as i dont really play limit...and we know you dont respect my play at all..interested to hear feedback...

[wrto4556 0]

That's what I thought.EDIT: meaning I thought it was boring.

[wrto4556 0]

Rwood, did you see that it was 5 handed? Just asking.

[Dirtydutch 9]

oh, i get it.yeah, I check call, if he is RRRRRRReeeeeeeeeaaaaaaallllly passive then fold,but I don't know many players that would never take a shot a the river if you show weakness.

[Vade 0]

Check/call again.If you think he'd only bet with a K, then folding might be okay, but I doubt it

[wrto4556 0]

Maybe it's not so boring.what hands call me that I have beat?

[Vade 0]

A8 comes to mind, that's about it

[rwood 0]

i did see that it was 5 handed...but i still only see hands calling or reraising that beat you, unless when you say he's loose you mean really loose, middle pair loose.....i dunno i'd have to be playing at the table a bit, but i still say check calltell me your opinion...if it was a full ring game i would be playing that a lot less agressively with 2 callers on the flop...trying to improve my limit game, so would really like to hear opinion...thanks

[MrNiceGuy 0]

I'm thinking bet and fold to a raise. I'm thinking he's got either a J or an 8 or a middle pocket pair. If he's come this far with something like 77, 99, or an 8, he'll probably call one more, and I can't imagine a loose passive raising with this board unless he has it. I'm guessing the river K won you a split with his JT.

[wrto4556 0]

I can think of a few hands:A pair of eightsA pair of ninesA pair of sevensA pairs of six'Ace highNow what hands call me that have me beat?

[MrNiceGuy 0]

He'd have to be really loose to call you with A-high; you did bet out into three opponents on the flop from the BB, you almost have to have at least something.I like betting the river for value, but I can't imagine him folding anything that beats or ties you.

[wrto4556 0]

I like betting, too.UTG shows J9o and I suck.