Flop Huge Draw And Fold?

[Moneyball16 0]

Looking for advice. PFR is 2+2er TAG who normally plays higher, CO is a very good LAG regular.PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comUTG ($200)UTG+1 ($36)MP1 ($40)MP2 ($215)MP3 ($258)CO ($426.15)Button ($200)SB ($225.65)Moneyball (BB) ($200)Preflop: Moneyball is BB with 3 , 5 4 folds, MP3 raises to $6, CO calls $6, 1 fold, SB calls $5, Moneyball calls $4Flop: ($24) 7 , 5 , 4 (4 players)SB checks, Moneyball bets $22.80, MP3 raises to $54, CO raises to $120, 1 fold, Moneyball folds

[rvrchsrhtr 0]

looks good to me..... advice meh...maybe find a better table. I'm sure it felt gross, but I don't see anything wrong with it

[regionx8 0]

Good fold. I think you have very little equity here. You might also be drawing almost dead to a higher flush and you have very little FE against the CO and still have MP to act. Anyone look to CR here since 2 players still to act on flop are aggressive?

[Moneyball16 0]

Good fold. I think you have very little equity here. You might also be drawing almost dead to a higher flush and you have very little FE against the CO and still have MP to act. Anyone look to CR here since 2 players still to act on flop are aggressive?

If I get it in vs just a flush draw then I always have the best hand with my pair. One of my biggest fears was getting it in vs a higher flush draw and a set where I would be dead though. With the stack sizes like they are if I check and someone bets like 18 and I go to 60 and get called it puts me in a awkward spot if I miss on the turn. I prefer bet-pushing just to make sure Im the one pushing with fold equity and to balance my play where I flop a set or a straight and play it the same fearing that good players probably arent going to be betting this flop lightly when its that drawy and 4 ways.

[regionx8 0]

If I get it in vs just a flush draw then I always have the best hand with my pair. One of my biggest fears was getting it in vs a higher flush draw and a set where I would be dead though. With the stack sizes like they are if I check and someone bets like 18 and I go to 60 and get called it puts me in a awkward spot if I miss on the turn. I prefer bet-pushing just to make sure Im the one pushing with fold equity and to balance my play where I flop a set or a straight and play it the same fearing that good players probably arent going to be betting this flop lightly when its that drawy and 4 ways.

Didn't notice the pair, my mistake.

[BellaireDrew 2]

I would shove, but that's because I am a donkey who cant fold a pair and flush draw or any combo draw for that matter.

[trystero 0]

This is usually a good laydown, as we might be drawing very close to dead with this action. It really sucks though, I mean, we have a piece of everything - pair, straight, flush. FWIW I like the flop lead; it's a nice move with two pair + or big draws, because we always love getting those hands all-in on the flop, and that's easiest accomplished by betting/3betting.

[No_Neck 0]

yeah I think this is one of those situations where you are either 40/60 or dead. GF

[mtdesmoines 2]

If I get it in vs just a flush draw then I always have the best hand with my pair. One of my biggest fears was getting it in vs a higher flush draw and a set where I would be dead though. With the stack sizes like they are if I check and someone bets like 18 and I go to 60 and get called it puts me in a awkward spot if I miss on the turn. I prefer bet-pushing just to make sure Im the one pushing with fold equity and to balance my play where I flop a set or a straight and play it the same fearing that good players probably arent going to be betting this flop lightly when its that drawy and 4 ways.

HU you're never killed here and it's shoveable all day long. Three way is creepy action here.

[Moneyball16 0]

ResultsMP3 showed K8cc and CO showed A6cc. The turn and river bricked and CO won with A high lol. Still not a bad fold considering against these 2 hands I still don't even have 32% equity.

[NoBBiR 0]

I don't think you could pry me off of this hand with a crowbar.

[dscoot 0]

You got a sick drawing hand, so The extra action by the 3rd player should give you more incentive to play , not fold, since your pot odds are gonna be greatly improved with the extra players money in there. plus since it was a raised pot pf its more likely they have overpairs, overcards, than them having a bigger flush / better straight draw.plus a bigger flush draw means your ahead at the moment.well shit i just noticed u were not open ended but gutshot. changes things a little bit. Y are u building a big pot with the flop bet and then not calling when that big pot arrives?if your not building a big pot with the flop bet, Y are u trying to take down the pot w the big flop bet oop into the raisers when your hand should be a bit disguised and has tons of room for improvement?check call seems ok, check raise seems ok, bet out smaller ok cool, bet out big seems like the worst strat, and then to fold after multiway action is even more worse. if your gonna bet out big, you gotta play the big pot then.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Y are u building a big pot with the flop bet and then not calling when that big pot arrives?if your not building a big pot with the flop bet, Y are u trying to take down the pot w the big flop bet oop into the raisers when your hand should be a bit disguised and has tons of room for improvement?check call seems ok, check raise seems ok, bet out smaller ok cool, bet out big seems like the worst strat, and then to fold after multiway action is even more worse. if your gonna bet out big, you gotta play the big pot then.

He gets new information when two players raise. It's a very unusual occurrence for 3 hands to hit the flop as hard as they did, so we can't blame Moneyball for not anticipating it.

[BaseJester 1]

Allow me to pose a math problem:Given knowledge of all the hands and assuming A 6 calls anything on the flop, if we raise all-in do we prefer K 8 call or fold?Neglect any value you derive from getting to say, "Ha, ha, bitch. Made you fold."

[David_Nicoson 1]

Allow me to pose a math problem:Given knowledge of all the hands and assuming A 6 calls anything on the flop, if we raise all-in do we prefer K 8 call or fold?Neglect any value you derive from getting to say, "Ha, ha, bitch. Made you fold."

pot size if MP3 folds: 200 hero200 villain60 MP3460 Our equity: 0.45253 $208.16 pot size if MP3 calls: 200 hero200 villain200 MP3600 Our equity: 0.31672 $190.03$208 > $190, so we prefer that the K 8 fold, even though he is correct to do so. It's an instance where Morton's Theorem applies. Good question, coming from a joke account and all. Hmmm . . .

Board: 7c 5d 4cDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 45.253% 44.34% 00.91% 439 9.00 { 5c3c }Hand 1: 54.747% 53.84% 00.91% 533 9.00 { Ac6c }------ 903 games 0.005 secs 180,600 games/secBoard: 7c 5d 4cDead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 31.672% 31.34% 00.33% 283 3.00 { 5c3c }Hand 1: 49.723% 49.39% 00.33% 446 3.00 { Ac6c }Hand 2: 18.605% 18.27% 00.33% 165 3.00 { Kc8c }

[Moneyball16 0]

if your not building a big pot with the flop bet, Y are u trying to take down the pot w the big flop bet oop into the raisers when your hand should be a bit disguised and has tons of room for improvement?check call seems ok, check raise seems ok, bet out smaller ok cool, bet out big seems like the worst strat, and then to fold after multiway action is even more worse. if your gonna bet out big, you gotta play the big pot then.

My main reason for betting so big is that if I had a set or a straight here and decide to bet out with them Im always going to make a big bet with those hands on this drawy of a flop with this many people in the pot. So basically just against at least 2 good thinking players I have quite a few hands against I want to disguise my hand. C/ring or c/cing may be better than betting out but I dont like a smaller bet considering my normal bet sizing.And my initial plan was to push over a raise, but the raise and then 3-bet complicated things and was something I did not anticipate like Davis said.

[DonkSlayer 1]

I don't think you could pry me off of this hand with a crowbar.

Why is that? Because you think good players just go nuts sometimes on a super-drawy board when they have 1010 and 99?