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[DKE_XP120]

really need to work on my title creativityParty Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP1 with 5:spade:, 5:diamond:. 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls, Hero calls.Flop: (8 SB) 5:heart:, 9:heart:, A:club: (4 players)SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB calls, Hero calls.Turn: (8.50 BB) Q:heart: (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB calls.River: (10.50 BB) 7:spade: (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.Final Pot: 12.50 BBShould I have bet out on the flop, or waited until the turn to check/raise?

[Filesharer]

I think this is quite feel and read dependant. Do you feel sure he has an Ace? Do you think he will raise you on the turn with AK/AQ? How likely is he to hold a hand that will call the two bets if you lead out, but fold to the check-raise?

[Vade]

Ugh, I don't like playing this hand at all with no one else in the potBet out. The only people in this hand are the blinds and the button. The c/r doesn't trap anyone, and I'm not entirely sure it really accomplishes anything on this dangerous flop. Straight draw out there, flush draw out there.

[waldo]

if your gonna bet the turn, cap the flop

[Emptyeye]

I'll go against the flow and say I like the check-raise here. Button will likely follow up a preflop raise with a postflop bet regardless of whether he hit or not, but depending on how he plays postflop, he may not call a bet if he missed entirely, especially with an ace out there. I do agree that you missed out on a bet by not capping the flop, particularly since you led the turn; if he's reasonable, he'll think "okay, this guy's serious" and slow down anyway.As for the flush draw, yeah, that's dangerous (Moreso if button doesn't bet), but I don't think one small bet should be enough to chase anyone out anyway. I guess one argument for leading out would be the preflop aggressor would raise you and it would be two-cold to anyone chasing the draw (As it turned out, that was effectively the case anyway when he 3-bet your raise), but with 8SB already in the pot prior to that, anyone on that draw is still getting proper odds to chase to at least the turn.

[Dirtydutch]

bet out the flop (not just to be part of the in-crowd).the check-raise would both give away the strenth of your hand to an ace, and maybe let some one draw free.Bet flop, Bet turn, bet river.

[wrto4556]

waldo said:

if your gonna bet the turn, cap the flop

That's not true.If you think the player will raise your turn bet, but slowdown to a flop cap, leading this turn is a good strategy...we get 3BB on the turn against an aggressive player.The heart sucks, though.I like the way you played it.

[BigDMcGee]

I like to bet out into it, then three bet myself on the flop, hoping the preflop raiser caps, so i can go for the check raise on the turn... the check raise on the flop can tip the stregth of your hand too soon, and you won't get the awesome turn raises in.. even if he doesn't cap the flop, if he's an aggressive player and you check to him on the turn, he'll bet, the bb will call, and you will raise.. from his turn action, he may well have just checked to your check, and your c/r wouldn't have worked, but conversly checking on the turn can set up a bet by the bb, and a raise. All in all, I think check raising on the flop tips your hand's stregth, and you don't wanna do that till the turn...

[BigDMcGee]

I hate cards that kill your action.. another agrument for capping the flop is to get the money in there when you can still get action, before scare cards come to kill it.....

[wrto4556]

BigDMcGee said:

I hate cards that kill your action.. another agrument for capping the flop is to get the money in there when you can still get action, before scare cards come to kill it.....

I like that.Change my responce to cap the flop.

[avsfan]

You should have raised preflop. Imho

[DCWildcat]

In my experience, at these levels, if you're facing a 3-bet your cap doesn't make much of an effect on your opponent. Might as well get more money in while it's good. Also, the 2 hearts are annoying, I don't like slowplaying sets w/2-flushes.

[avsfan]

DCWildcat said:

In my experience, at these levels, if you're facing a 3-bet your cap doesn't make much of an effect on your opponent. Might as well get more money in while it's good. Also, the 2 hearts are annoying, I don't like slowplaying sets w/2-flushes.

When the draw does come on the turn. They do present the wonderful situation of making ppl go for the fourth flush card on the river. If Its a huge pot and the right players are in the hand. Go for it milk the odds for your redraw and hope for the best. 8)Imho

[KDawgCometh]

avsfan said:

You should have raised preflop. Imho

why?

[avsfan]

KDawgCometh said:

avsfan said:

You should have raised preflop. Imho

why?

What postion do you consider him in?

[wrto4556]

hes in MP1 which is middle position seat 1. E-MP.This is an easy CALL preflop.

[KDawgCometh]

avsfan said:

KDawgCometh said:

avsfan said:

You should have raised preflop. Imho

why?

What postion do you consider him in?

not late enough to be open raising with 55. MP3, yes, but not MP1. MP1 is where I start to open raise with 88 or 77, 55 is just way too weak to open raise

[avsfan]

If I am playng this hand first in from mp1. I am gonna raise for five possible reasons. 1. I don't want my opponents getting any ideas about what I have. 2. I want them to call me. 3. I want to increase my odds on the flop, so I can profitably play the hand beyond the flop. 4. I want them to fold a better hand. 5. I want to maximize my winnings when I have the best hand. So I like playing it in weak tight games, loose game, and some loose/aggressive games.To me you should fold the hand generally instead of calling. which is something I definitly do. I can call but it is not my general play and there was no explained special cicumstance about the players.The game above looks loose one limper a raiser and then two callers.Its border line to tell. Imho. So I say ok maybe 55 is playable in the game, maybe it is not? All I can say Is if it is a loose game. I am generally raising it. Imho

[BigDMcGee]

that must stick in the ole craw...