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[aucu]

Bin Laden helped Bush in 2004 with his video just just befor the vote

The 2004 tape boosted the popularity of American President George W. Bush. President Bush opened up a six-point lead over his opponent Senator John Kerry in the first opinion poll to include sampling taken after the videotape was broadcast.[3]

Internationally, the possibility that the video could have been faked was expressed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video


Seems like he wanted bush to win, will he they try something similar this time?

This Fox news article may have a clue.

WASHINGTON -- Al Qaeda supporters suggested in a Web site message this week they would welcome a pre-election terror attack on the U.S. as a way to usher in a McCain presidency.

The message, posted Monday on the password-protected al-Hesbah Web site, said if Al Qaeda wants to exhaust the United States militarily and economically, "impetuous" Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain is the better choice because he is more likely to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American soldier," the message said. "Then, Al Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march of his predecessor, Bush."

SITE Intelligence Group, based in Bethesda, Maryland, monitors the Web site and translated the message.

"If Al Qaeda carries out a big operation against American interests," the message said, "this act will be support of McCain because it will push the Americans deliberately to vote for McCain so that he takes revenge for them against Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda then will succeed in exhausting America till its last year in it."

Mark Salter, a senior McCain adviser, said he had heard about the Web site chatter but had no immediate comment.

The message is credited to a frequent and apparently respected contributor named Muhammad Haafid. However, Haafid is not believed to have a direct affiliation with Al Qaeda plans or knowledge of its operations, according to SITE.

SITE senior analyst Adam Raisman said this message caught SITE's attention because there has been little other chatter on the forums about the U.S. election.

SITE was struck by the message's detailed analysis -- and apparent jubilation -- about American financial woes.

"What we try to do is get the pulse of the jihadist community," Raisman said. "And it's about the financial crisis."

Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden issued a videotape just four days before the 2004 U.S. presidential election directly addressing the American people.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/22/al...cain-president/

[Mercury69]

There is no doubt that the Bin Laden endorsement is the key to winning this election. I look forward to seeing the poorly taped footage from a cave somewhere on the Afghan border with one of those -Stan countries...Sometimes your greatest enemy can be your greatest ally

[copernicus]

Why in the world would OBL want to help Bush or McCain? Youve got youre motivations bass ackwards.

[Nimue1995]

He didn't say it. It was said on this site and reported by AP on my Yahoo home page.

WASHINGTON -- Al Qaeda supporters suggested in a Web site message this week they would welcome a pre-election terror attack on the U.S. as a way to usher in a McCain presidency.

The message, posted Monday on the password-protected al-Hesbah Web site, said if Al Qaeda wants to exhaust the United States militarily and economically, "impetuous" Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain is the better choice because he is more likely to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American soldier," the message said. "Then, Al Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march of his predecessor, Bush."

SITE Intelligence Group, based in Bethesda, Maryland, monitors the Web site and translated the message.

"If Al Qaeda carries out a big operation against American interests," the message said, "this act will be support of McCain because it will push the Americans deliberately to vote for McCain so that he takes revenge for them against Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda then will succeed in exhausting America till its last year in it."

Mark Salter, a senior McCain adviser, said he had heard about the Web site chatter but had no immediate comment.

The message is credited to a frequent and apparently respected contributor named Muhammad Haafid. However, Haafid is not believed to have a direct affiliation with Al Qaeda plans or knowledge of its operations, according to SITE.

SITE senior analyst Adam Raisman said this message caught SITE's attention because there has been little other chatter on the forums about the U.S. election.

SITE was struck by the message's detailed analysis -- and apparent jubilation -- about American financial woes.

"What we try to do is get the pulse of the jihadist community," Raisman said. "And it's about the financial crisis."

Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden issued a videotape just four days before the 2004 U.S. presidential election directly addressing the American people.

[Balloon guy]

deja vu?


Well if Al Qeada said it, it must be true

[hblask]

Why in the world would OBL want to help Bush or McCain?

Because organizations always look out for their own best interest. A continuation of Bush's policies does two big things for Al Queda (or however we're spelling it this week).

First, it makes it easy to recruit new people. A US foreign policy of constantly meddling in other country's business when they pose no threat to the US makes attracting fanatics to AQ's insane cause an easy job.

Second, it ensures that we continue to waste resources and manpower in Iraq, while OBL hides comfortably in, well, probably Pakistan, because we don't have the resources to ferret him out.

So yeah, McCain would be great for OBL.

[Zealous Donkey]

Because organizations always look out for their own best interest. A continuation of Bush's policies does two big things for Al Queda (or however we're spelling it this week).

First, it makes it easy to recruit new people. A US foreign policy of constantly meddling in other country's business when they pose no threat to the US makes attracting fanatics to AQ's insane cause an easy job.

Second, it ensures that we continue to waste resources and manpower in Iraq, while OBL hides comfortably in, well, probably Pakistan, because we don't have the resources to ferret him out.

So yeah, McCain would be great for OBL.

Well, OBL saw that stratagy work against the soviets when they invaded Afghanastan. What he doesn't realize is that it was an American Stratagy.

hblask, one of the reasons I couldn't support Ron Paul was because he seemed to be in denial about radical islam and their war against the west. You seem to share his views, am I correct? What do you think should have been done in response to 911 if anything? I am just having trouble understanding that point of view. I can understand not commiting ourself in Iraq to the extent we have, but I don't understand what the alternative would be. Europe is going to have some major problems in the near future because of their ignoring radicalization of the Isalmic faith in their own communties.

[copernicus]

Because organizations always look out for their own best interest. A continuation of Bush's policies does two big things for Al Queda (or however we're spelling it this week).

First, it makes it easy to recruit new people. A supposition I disagree with. AQ is a religion based. If they didnt have the US to rally round they would find some other cause. OTOH aggressive action and the death and destruction AQ brings down on the ME will turn away some recruits. A US foreign policy of constantly meddling in other country's business when they pose no threat to the US makes attracting fanatics to AQ's insane cause an easy job.They not only think they pose a threat to the US, they think they can take over the world. Blinders like yours might well let them.

Second, it ensures that we continue to waste resources and manpower in Iraq, while OBL hides comfortably in, well, probably Pakistan, because we don't have the resources to ferret him out.We will never have the resources to "ferret him out". Obama and McCain both are full of shit on this one. IT IS TACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FERRET HIM OUT.

So yeah, McCain would be great for OBL.

[hblask]

hblask, one of the reasons I couldn't support Ron Paul was because he seemed to be in denial about radical islam and their war against the west. You seem to share his views, am I correct? What do you think should have been done in response to 911 if anything? I am just having trouble understanding that point of view. I can understand not commiting ourself in Iraq to the extent we have, but I don't understand what the alternative would be. Europe is going to have some major problems in the near future because of their ignoring radicalization of the Isalmic faith in their own communties.

Step 1: Pursue the actual terrorists, OBL and AQ, instead of creating a diversionary war in Iraq.

Step 2: Get the US out of most of the countries that it is in, except for the ones that have strategic value and don't hate us being there (this would require probably a dozen or so foreign military bases).

Step 3: Stop trying to be the policeman for the world. If you think an injustice that doesn't directly threaten the US requires an armed response, send yourself and your family, not other people's families.

[CaneBrain]

Wow Copernicus,

The way you constantly overrate the threat of Al Qaida is hilarious. Take over the world? Come on. I think Pinky and the Brain have a better shot. Just because they have delusions of grandeur does not mean we should pretend they have a basis in reality. You are the one who has causes and effects bass ackwards. Every ounce of death and destruction we rain down on the Middle East helps engender a lack of economic opportunity which pushes people to radical causes. You can disagree with the supposition that the Iraq War has helped terror recruiting if you want, but you are ignoring pretty much every study commissioned in the West on the subject (including the CIA's).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3756650.stm

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0718/dailyUpdate.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0114-01.htm

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east...ence_09-25.html

[hblask]

Wow Copernicus,

The way you constantly overrate the threat of Al Qaida is hilarious. Take over the world? Come on. I think Pinky and the Brain have a better shot. Just because they have delusions of grandeur does not mean we should pretend they have a basis in reality. You are the one who has causes and effects bass ackwards. Every ounce of death and destruction we rain down on the Middle East helps engender a lack of economic opportunity which pushes people to radical causes. You can disagree with the supposition that the Iraq War has helped terror recruiting if you want, but you are ignoring pretty much every study commissioned in the West on the subject (including the CIA's).
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3756650.stm

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0718/dailyUpdate.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0114-01.htm

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east...ence_09-25.html

There you go letting reality get in the way of a good ideology again. Why should we care what experts and our own CIA think, when George W Bush says otherwise?

[copernicus]

Wow Copernicus,

The way you constantly overrate the threat of Al Qaida is hilarious. Take over the world? Come on. That is their stated intent. Even if tney do nothing, that can be accopmplished, and has gone a long way to being accomplished, just by population changes.I think Pinky and the Brain have a better shot. Just because they have delusions of grandeur does not mean we should pretend they have a basis in reality. You are the one who has causes and effects bass ackwards. Every ounce of death and destruction we rain down on the Middle East helps engender a lack of economic opportunity which pushes people to radical causes. Prove it. You cant. You can disagree with the supposition that the Iraq War has helped terror recruiting if you want, but you are ignoring pretty much every study commissioned in the West on the subject (including the CIA's)."Studies" with no control group are polls, nothing more.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3756650.stm

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0718/dailyUpdate.html

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0114-01.htm

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east...ence_09-25.html

[El Guapo]

Take over the world? Come on. I think Pinky and the Brain have a better shot.

NARF!

[Sal Paradise]

copernicus for the love OF GOD learn how to quote

We will never have the resources to "ferret him out". Obama and McCain both are full of shit on this one. IT IS TACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO FERRET HIM OUT.

why do you say that?

[hblask]

copernicus for the love OF GOD learn how to quote

QFTX100

Is this a tactic to prevent people from responding? WTF?

[hblask]

why do you say that?

Because if Bush couldn't get him, then NOBODY can!

[copernicus]

copernicus for the love OF GOD learn how to quote


why do you say that?

Parsing a paragraph into separate quotes to respond to individual points is a pita. Dont like the way I post, feel free not to read it.

Re ferreting OBL out, look at the terrain and who controls the territory. Even if you knew exactly what rat hole he is in there would be massive casualties trying to assault such a strong position.

[Mercury69]

NARF!

Bah...Pinky and the Brain are Ren and Stimpy for mass market.

[hblask]

Parsing into paragraphs is no harder than inlining red text. In fact, it's probably easier. At this point, I suspect you are just doing it to be difficult.

[Sal Paradise]

Parsing a paragraph into separate quotes to respond to individual points is a pita. Dont like the way I post, feel free not to read it.

it's a greek flatbread?

Re ferreting OBL out, look at the terrain and who controls the territory. Even if you knew exactly what rat hole he is in there would be massive casualties trying to assault such a strong position.

copy paste my friend, copy paste.