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[obs]

Right now I think my biggest leak is how I play overcards. This look standard?PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is MP with A:diamond:, K:diamond:. 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: (6 SB) 4:heart:, 5:spade:, 9:spade: (3 players)SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB calls.Turn: (4.50 BB) 4:diamond: (3 players)SB checks, BB bets, Hero folds, SB folds.Final Pot: 5.50 BB

[KDawgCometh]

yup

[waldo]

cant just call the flop, either fold or raise, calling heads up with overcards is not a good play

[checkymcfold]

waldo said:

cant just call the flop, either fold or raise, calling heads up with overcards is not a good play

right. raise the flop and get two cards for one small bet. that's why position is important in limit.

[wrto4556]

It matters how aggressive the player is. A whole lot of the time you don't get the free card and end up spending 2-3 bets on the flop to see the turn and get bet into.I'm in the fold bunch all by myself.If the pot were bigger, the free card wouldn't have to work as much...also, calling isn't bad with the odds.

[Emptyeye]

Actually, since you're being bet into, they have at least a small piece of it. I'd probably fold it too...you're drawing to 5 outs against even a pair of fours, and 7:1 isn't quite enough on your money to justify the call. Of course, this presumes they didn't donk out two-pair on you, sandbag an overpair, or defend with a small pocket pair and hit a set, where you're really in trouble in all those cases.

[amarillotg]

i suck at playing overs as well but......... my advice israise that flop and at least find out where your at. this short handed i think its either a raise or fold scenario.

[Randy Reed]

Man this is tough though. The better doesn't necessarily have a piece of this flop. If the BB is sitting with TJs, he would be correct to bet out his flush draw, he still might have better odds, but you could currently still be ahead. I think I'd call it and see the river but that's just me. :?

[BigDMcGee]

Will bet into you just because low cards flop, and you raised, meaning you more than likely have high cards.. i think the call muck thing is real bad, I think you have to raise this flop, and if you get bet into on the turn, go from there.. but short handed I think AK is too strong of hand to just fold.. now if the player was rocky true value, then just muck

[Filesharer]

Stone-cold raise. I don't care who the opponent is. When the board is co-ordinated rags like that he might be bluffing, and even if he's not, if you fold now, he's likely to next time you raise preflop and the board comes rags.Secondly, it's extremely likely that he has a draw, and you're ahead. Definitely raise, because you're not going to raise on the turn with an unimproved AK. You have to apply the pressure on the flop.Lastly, if he has a pair, you're quite likely to have 5 good outs.

[Filesharer]

By the way obs, what's your name on stars? I was playing the 3-6 shorthanded to clear the bonus

[obs]

My name on stars is obsid1an

[wrto4556]

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Lastly, if he has a pair, you're quite likely to have 5 good outs.

5 good outs in a small ass pot.The defense against a semi-bluff is to either raise or fold. This is a raise or fold situation. Given the pot site, raising is worse.fold > raise > call

[Emptyeye]

My apologies, it's actually 6 outs (Potentially), not 5. I still don't think that gives you the odds to call, particularly if you think someone could be getting cute with a big pocket pair, or uberclowned their way into two-pair or a set. Another potential bad spot for you is someone with 4X of spades, where you're behind with only 4 clean outs.So in short, this is probably a fold.

[wrto4556]

The A is a dirty out.

[Emptyeye]

wrto4556 said:

The A is a dirty out.

So is the K for that matter, correct?Like I said, 6 outs potentially, though 4 is a more likely number, and you could conceivably be drawing dead to a set here (Anything that trips you up also gives them a full house, correct?).

[wrto4556]

yes, which is all the more reason to fold.

[Filesharer]

I totally disagree wrto. Ther are three big reasons why raising is better here: he could be bluffing, he could be on a draw, and you probably have outs. They add up. If you know he has a pair, true, you're not getting the odds. But even in that case you should still raise. If you're against any type of decent, aggressive opposition, folding here on this board is the same as leaning over a table frontways and dropping your pants.

[wrto4556]

Raising is spewing. This pot is soooooo small. Just fold. This is a HORRIBLE flop for AK. The times that we are ahead we have to dodge a shit load of cards. The times we are behind, we have little ways to improve. Reverse implied odds, dude. Free card plays hardly ever work.folding > raising > calling