how would you extract maximum value?

[Kendren 1]

Alright, I can't get the converter to take Pokerroom HHs, so I'm gonna try to type it up myself as well as I can.Big BLind is t20Button (t1470)SB (t1480)BB (t1375)UTG (t930)UTG +1 (t1500)UTG +2 (t1510)MP1 (t1480)Hero (t1500)MP3 (t1500)CO (t2255)Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J A 4 folds, Hero raises to t90, 1 fold, CO calls t90, 3 foldsFlop: (t210) A A 9 Hero checks, CO checksTurn: (t210) A Hero checks, CO bets t200, Hero calls t200River: (t610) 2 Hero ????What do you think here? How to get the most out of him? Check and hope he bets? Weak lead and hope for a raise? All in? Tell ya what happened after I bust out (soonish)

[Vade 0]

400 sounds pretty good to me. It smells a bit weak, which is key

[TheIceman05 0]

I got a feeling he was trying to take it away. The check/call on the turn is suspicious. In situations like this, I like to fire a bet when I make quads. Fast-playing is the new slow-playing. Why not throw a weak bet out there? Something that looks like a steal? If you toss an 80-120 chip bet out there, he might grow a sack and play back. If he folds (shrug) nothing hurt. But if he comes back at you you could win a big one. You're out of position, so encourage him to utilize his positional advantage. If he's an aggressive player, and calls your miniscule turn bet, check it to him. He'll probably make a sizeable bet. Look, the only way you're REALLY gonna get paid off here is if he made a second best hand (like K9, or something). If it's a huge second best hand (KK, QQ, JJ), he'll probably come after you. Otherwise, you're going to have to encourage him to take it away my manipulating the pot size, and mimicking a steal. Ice

[Kendren 1]

Well, this was very early in the tourney (4th hand, I think) and I had no read on the guy. The turn bet was slightly hesitant, and I waited a good 10 seconds before calling like I had something, but not that much. Maybe c/r the turn?

[DCWildcat 0]

Quads rarely are big money winners, and this hand is no exception. I like the idea of a small bet to lure him in, although I'm not adverse to checking and hoping he bets (I thinkt there's a good chance he would with that turn bet). I can't think of any hands he could have with preflop play like that that could have any chance of sustaining a good bet. 22 maybe?Oh, and pokerroom doesn't work with the converter anymore. I think the guy is working on it though.

[Kendren 1]

Alright, I'll finish it. I think I made a mistake with this bet, but it paid off handsomely.River: 2 Hero bets t1,210 (all-in), CO calls t1,210Results:Hero shows J A CO mucks 10 10 Probably should have led less, he would have probably called, turned out I got the most, tho, cause he's dumb. In the chat he then said "Well, I had a full house, I had to call that". Love em.Oh, and typing that all out manually was a biznitch.

[waldo 0]

normally i dont like the over bet allin but in this situation it kinda works, no one would think that you would play quads this way, it just looks like you are trying to take down the pot, the only hand that will call any bet of any kind is a decent pocket pair and thats exactly what he had

[Kendren 1]

normally i dont like the over bet allin but in this situation it kinda works, no one would think that you would play quads this way, it just looks like you are trying to take down the pot, the only hand that will call any bet of any kind is a decent pocket pair and thats exactly what he had

My thinking was on the bet that it would look like a steal, or a true fish move, being 4th hand. He didn't have any reads on me, either. He might have even thought I was so bad I would all in with a flush and that board, I don't know. I was just happy with the result... unfortunately, I didn't win one single other pot in the tourney and busted 45 minutes later.

[Emptyeye 0]

Yeah, given no reads, I don't particularly mind the way you played it, basically for the reasons you said--as I've said before, "Pushing with the nuts?! Seriously! Who does that?!? Well, someone who knows you'll look at the push and say 'Pushing with the nuts?! Seriously! Who does that?!?'".Weak-leading is a viable option, but if he's a reasonable player he'll be VERY suspicious of it (When someone weak-leads at me for a minimum bet, I just call given no prior reads. Why? They're usually trying to accomplish one of two things--they have a weak hand and am praying I'll fold, or they have a monster and hoping I'll "sense weakness" and raise. Either way, calling is precisely what they DON'T want me to do. Of course, I'm not this guy), particularly since your raise pre-flop should tip him of that you could very well be slowplaying an ace or (Possibly) a pocket pair higher than his tens post-flop.Truthfully, though, hitting quads (Particularly pre-river) doesn't really happen enough that how you play it is going to make much of a difference one way or the other. Thus, given you managed to double up, I'd consider it successful even if I wouldn't necessarily play it this way. I had a similar situation and proceeded to play it check/call-check/call/check-raise all-in, and STILL doubled up. In hindsight, the play was terrible (Final board of 7AAAJ, guy had 7-9 for the baby boat), but it doubled my chips, so I consider it well-played. Like I said, quads are rare enough that it's one of the few times you can look at the results and determine whether it was a good or bad play.

[Kendren 1]

yeesh, he called your all in with that? Ugly. You're probably right, since I doubled up, it was the right play. Another question, do you think checking the flop here was right? I was out of position, no flush draw, no straight draw, is this a slowplayable hand before the case ace lands?

[Emptyeye 0]

He called my preflop raise with it, too, but that's another story altogether.I usually don't like to slowplay, ever, especially after raising (Checking after a preflop raise looks very suspicious), but that comes primarily from a nickel-dime limit mindset. In terms of this situation, your opponent is probably not paying enough attention to note "checked flop after raising preflop", and that board is as safe as it gets in terms of danger cards coming. There's only a few hands you really have to worry about here before the turn (and of course you turn the stone cold nuts), and you're probably going to wind up paying those hands regardless of how you play it. So I don't mind the slowplay here.

[Kendren 1]

Fair enough. I appreciate your comments. I remember thinking as the turn and river were being played out "This could be a great hand for FCP strategy forum" lol