Second Hand

[David_Nicoson 1]

The first hand I folded 25o in the SB. I think that encourages the villain to try to run me over. Thus this line. There's about $10 left to play on the river.UltimateBet $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 2 playersThe Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterBTN/SB: $101.00Hero (BB): $199.00Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with A 8 BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero calls $4Flop: ($12.00) 6 3 8 (2 players)Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $12, Hero calls $12Turn: ($36.00) Q (2 players)Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $36, Hero raises to $72, BTN/SB calls $36

[Zach6668 513]

Why not just stick it on the turn, instead of leaving $10 behind?

[David_Nicoson 1]

Why not just stick it on the turn, instead of leaving $10 behind?

Because my finger was closer to the minraise button than the bet pot button.Do you think it matters?

[Zach6668 513]

Na, not really. It does help give you a donkish image though. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

[Sheiky 0]

With his stack size the way it is, I would intuitively think that CRAI(or just c/r/call) on the flop would be better than flat calling.

[PrtyPSux 0]

I'd fold pre.. if he was deeper you can 3bet...the way you played it you should lead and 3bet shove the flop.

[David_Nicoson 1]

The river bricked, I bet the last $10, and the villain folded.I actually think the few dollars on the end are more interesting than the rest of the hand. If I push the turn, then my hand shows down. I think it's pretty clear that he missed a flush draw, so I'm not missing as much information as he is.

[Acid_Knight 2]

The river bricked, I bet the last $10, and the villain folded.I actually think the few dollars on the end are more interesting than the rest of the hand. If I push the turn, then my hand shows down. I think it's pretty clear that he missed a flush draw, so I'm not missing as much information as he is.

I think that this consideration, while interesting, is not really worth the $10. In HU, most shortstacking villains rarely rebuy and I would doubt that they take notes, so you're better off just busting him, taking his $10 this hand and never seeing him again than giving him the information that you don't fold TPTK HU.I agree with JC that your default should not be to defend a hand this weak OOP without knowing anything about the villain and with these stack sizes.I also probably just c/r the flop if I'm playing like this.

[cwik 0]

I c/r the flop too, then conk/call the turn.

[El Guapo 10]

What am I missing here? Are some of you actually advocating that he folds A8 preflop to standard raise HU?

[litlebullet 0]

The first hand I folded 25o in the SB. I think that encourages the villain to try to run me over. Thus this line.

I just found a new sig.

[Acid_Knight 2]

What am I missing here? Are some of you actually advocating that he folds A8 preflop to standard raise HU?

Yeah.Playing against an opponent who you know nothing about (2nd hand) and being OOP with a hand like A8o can basically only cost us money. Yeah, we're likely ahead of his PFR range, but we don't really know what that's made of, or what he c-bets with, or if/how often he 2/3 barrels. We don't know anything and it's not good practice to get involved with a hand like A8o where we're mostly going to flop a bad top pair, a 2nd pair or a hand like TPNK, where if we're putting in any $$, we're usually losing.We're not gonna solidly hit a flop often at all. We're OOP. We know nothing about our opponent. Just fold preflp. What have you given up?

[El Guapo 10]

Yeah.Playing against an opponent who you know nothing about (2nd hand) and being OOP with a hand like A8o can basically only cost us money. Yeah, we're likely ahead of his PFR range, but we don't really know what that's made of, or what he c-bets with, or if/how often he 2/3 barrels. We don't know anything and it's not good practice to get involved with a hand like A8o where we're mostly going to flop a bad top pair, a 2nd pair or a hand like TPNK, where if we're putting in any $$, we're usually losing.We're not gonna solidly hit a flop often at all. We're OOP. We know nothing about our opponent. Just fold preflp. What have you given up?

Then what range are you saying it's ok to call with? You guys are obv better at this than me, is it just because its only the 2nd hand?

[David_Nicoson 1]

This is a 10 player table that I started, not a heads-up table, by the way.

[Acid_Knight 2]

Then what range are you saying it's ok to call with? You guys are obv better at this than me, is it just because its only the 2nd hand?

I think suited aces are fine. A9 is probably one I call with.It's mostly cause it's the 2nd hand and I don't feel I'm giving anything up by mucking A8o. Give me 89o and I'll defend that before A8o on the 2nd hand. I just prefer to have hands that are easier to make better decisions with since I know nothing about the guy I'm playing.

[mtdesmoines 2]

I think suited aces are fine. A9 is probably one I call with.It's mostly cause it's the 2nd hand and I don't feel I'm giving anything up by mucking A8o. Give me 89o and I'll defend that before A8o on the 2nd hand. I just prefer to have hands that are easier to make better decisions with since I know nothing about the guy I'm playing.

^^^^^^^This.

[cwik 0]

What am I missing here? Are some of you actually advocating that he folds A8 preflop to standard raise HU?

In headup... you're not calling many Aces at all. You are 3betting AK-AJ and mucking A8-A2. AT/A9 are tweener hands, that you can fold/raise/or call. I also don't mind flatting suited aces, with the intent of shoving any draws. The main problem here isn't that A6o isn't the best hand often, but rather the reverse implied odds it offers. An Ace on the flop will always scare your opponent so you can't get value, unless he has one too which will often be bigger. And even though A8o would therefor be breakeven, the fact that your opponent has position decreases the value of your hand.

[Giggidy 0]

I c/r the flop too, then conk/call the turn.

How come this is yours and Acids default? You're 2 hands in so you wont know if they're aggro enough to gonna bet for you?

[trystero 0]

I have sooo much to learn about HU play

[El Guapo 10]

In headup... you're not calling many Aces at all. You are 3betting AK-AJ and mucking A8-A2. AT/A9 are tweener hands, that you can fold/raise/or call. I also don't mind flatting suited aces, with the intent of shoving any draws. The main problem here isn't that A6o isn't the best hand often, but rather the reverse implied odds it offers. An Ace on the flop will always scare your opponent so you can't get value, unless he has one too which will often be bigger. And even though A8o would therefor be breakeven, the fact that your opponent has position decreases the value of your hand.

ty, that was a good explanation.

[Acid_Knight 2]

How come this is yours and Acids default? You're 2 hands in so you wont know if they're aggro enough to gonna bet for you?

On a flop like this, most players are gonna bet any club in their hand as well as any pair. They also bet their air a lot since they assume that it's a scary flop. In reality, most of their range is betting a board like this so it's pretty easy to get a c/r in there.