a nl hand-please find a mistake here for me

[Vade 0]

Besides raising KJ suited preflop, which is probably one, but it was early so I felt like trying something different. OOPSDealer: Hand #109905747Dealer: Big_Willy21 posts the small blind of $0.10Dealer: sharky2323 posts the big blind of $0.25Dealer: You have been dealt [Kc Jc]Dealer: slaz13 foldsDealer: Admoney35 calls $0.25Dealer: blackdoubleR foldsDealer: crazyT10 calls $0.25Dealer: randymarsh foldsDealer: Vade raises to $1Dealer: CHIPAZILLA foldsDealer: Big_Willy21 calls $0.90Dealer: sharky2323 foldsDealer: Admoney35 foldsDealer: crazyT10 calls $0.75Dealer: The flop is [Qc Qd Tc] This is a beautiful flop for me...royal draw...but I still have never hit one + it's Friday the 13th, so...anywho...Dealer: Big_Willy21 checksDealer: crazyT10 checksDealer: Vade bets $2.50Dealer: Big_Willy21 raises to $5Dealer: crazyT10 foldsDealer: Vade calls $2.50Obviously he has a Q. Just as obviously I have to call right?Dealer: The turn is [7c]Dealer: Big_Willy21 checksDealer: Vade bets $8Dealer: Big_Willy21 raises to $15.35, and is all inDealer: Vade calls $7.35Dealer: Big_Willy21 shows [Qh Ks] <----- horrid luckDealer: Vade shows [Kc Jc]Big_Willy21: nhDealer: The river is [Th]Dealer: Big_Willy21 shows a full house, Queens full of TensDealer: Vade shows a flush, King highDealer: Big_Willy21 wins the pot ($42) with a full house, Queens full of TensVade: damnitThen 20 minutes later same table...bam my Kings go down to Aces. Boo!Anyways, where's the error here? Yes, I didn't have the nut flush, but I correctly put him on the Queen. It was really the only possibility. BTW, I only bet the flop because I'm the preflop raiser.

[Jordan 1]

Besides raising KJ suited preflop, which is probably one, but it was early so I felt like trying something different.  OOPSDealer: Hand #109905747Dealer: Big_Willy21 posts the small blind of $0.10Dealer: sharky2323 posts the big blind of $0.25Dealer: You have been dealt [Kc Jc]Dealer: slaz13 foldsDealer: Admoney35 calls $0.25Dealer: blackdoubleR foldsDealer: crazyT10 calls $0.25Dealer: randymarsh foldsDealer: Vade raises to $1Dealer: CHIPAZILLA foldsDealer: Big_Willy21 calls $0.90Dealer: sharky2323 foldsDealer: Admoney35 foldsDealer: crazyT10 calls $0.75Dealer: The flop is [Qc Qd Tc]  This is a beautiful flop for me...royal draw...but I still have never hit one + it's Friday the 13th, so...anywho...Dealer: Big_Willy21 checksDealer: crazyT10 checksDealer: Vade bets $2.50Dealer: Big_Willy21 raises to $5Dealer: crazyT10 foldsDealer: Vade calls $2.50Obviously he has a Q.  Just as obviously I have to call right?Dealer: The turn is [7c]Dealer: Big_Willy21 checksDealer: Vade bets $8Dealer: Big_Willy21 raises to $15.35, and is all inDealer: Vade calls $7.35Dealer: Big_Willy21 shows [Qh Ks]  <----- horrid luckDealer: Vade shows [Kc Jc]Big_Willy21: nhDealer: The river is [Th]Dealer: Big_Willy21 shows a full house, Queens full of TensDealer: Vade shows a flush, King highDealer: Big_Willy21 wins the pot ($42) with a full house, Queens full of TensVade: damnitThen 20 minutes later same table...bam my Kings go down to Aces.  Boo!Anyways, where's the error here?  Yes, I didn't have the nut flush, but I correctly put him on the Queen.  It was really the only possibility.  BTW, I only bet the flop because I'm the preflop raiser.

Well, it is always dangerous to go for a flush when the board is paired. Almost always. River, is just ¨unlucky¨ that when you drew the flush on the run, he had the River to fill up. Happens.You made your flush on the turn. What if he has more money to raise you with? What do you do? I don´t know how big your stack was...so bleh, but you gotta be careful whenever drawing against a paired board.- Jordan

[Vade 0]

Only hands he could have a boat with are Q-10 and Q-7. Yes, the first one is possible, but I don't see him raising the flop to force me to fold. Q-7 from the SB is a stretch, even at these stakes.Thanks for the input though

[cdddc75 0]

Preflop: Raise is too small with two limpers already in.Flop: Not as beautiful as you think. You have two outs to a straight flush, but all your other outs can be redrawn by a set. You have good draws, but you might already be drawing to only two outs. Check and call any best pot sized or less.Turn: Push and hope he doesn't redraw that FH. His stack isn't much bigger than the pot anyway.

[Vade 0]

So should I be raising KJ soooted on a regular basis?Yeah, definitely his stack size came to mind, but I figured he might fold if I had just gone all in (stupid me I know)Thanks

[Jordan 1]

Only hands he could have a boat with are Q-10 and Q-7.  Yes, the first one is possible, but I don't see him raising the flop to force me to fold.  Q-7 from the SB is a stretch, even at these stakes.Thanks for the input though

Actually, QT, Q7, TT, 77, QQ. Would he raise the flop with 77? Doubt it. TT, maybe...probably...espicially if he thought you had a Q and would obviously pay it off.I would assumed TT 77 most likely. In this case, he got lucky on the river when the board paired again. What can you do? - Jordan

[Vade 0]

Again I felt strongly that he had a Q So I tossed aside the other handsMaybe I was wrong to do so, because I'm often terrible putting people on hands, but meh

[cdddc75 0]

Again I felt strongly that he had a Q  So I tossed aside the other handsMaybe I was wrong to do so, because I'm often terrible putting people on hands, but meh

Maybe I've been playing too much Omaha lately, but I had paired boards that don't match my hand.

[Jordan 1]

Again I felt strongly that he had a Q  So I tossed aside the other handsMaybe I was wrong to do so, because I'm often terrible putting people on hands, but meh

Well, it´s rare when people flop boats, or quads, but I mean..that´s a rule, espicially of NL. You should be very wary of drawing to a flush against a paired board.Reads change things...but I mean...it´s just kinda a basic rule of thumb.What happened on the river, this time, was just unlucky. Move on, but remember.- Jordan

[TheIceman05 0]

Again I felt strongly that he had a Q  So I tossed aside the other handsMaybe I was wrong to do so, because I'm often terrible putting people on hands, but meh

Well, it´s rare when people flop boats, or quads, but I mean..that´s a rule, espicially of NL. You should be very wary of drawing to a flush against a paired board.Reads change things...but I mean...it´s just kinda a basic rule of thumb.What happened on the river, this time, was just unlucky. Move on, but remember.- Jordan

Unless he has a boat, our hero's about a 55-45 dog. He's favored against a wide range of hands, like slowplayed kings aces, or something like AT. If he just had the Khi flush OR straight draw, it's easy to get away from. But with 15 outs twice, there's absolutely no bet he can reasonably fold to on the flop, assuming he likes money. He only check-raised 2,50, so he's terrible at poker. This means he'll underbet the pot on the turn. You can reasonably anticipate this mistake, call the flop, call the turn, and cross your fingers. Ice

[TheIceman05 0]

Again I felt strongly that he had a Q  So I tossed aside the other handsMaybe I was wrong to do so, because I'm often terrible putting people on hands, but meh

Well, it´s rare when people flop boats, or quads, but I mean..that´s a rule, espicially of NL. You should be very wary of drawing to a flush against a paired board.Reads change things...but I mean...it´s just kinda a basic rule of thumb.What happened on the river, this time, was just unlucky. Move on, but remember.- Jordan

Unless he has a boat, our hero's about a 55-45 dog. He's favored against a wide range of hands, like slowplayed kings aces, or something like AT. If he just had the Khi flush OR straight draw, it's easy to get away from. But with 15 outs twice, there's absolutely no bet he can reasonably fold to on the flop, assuming he likes money. He only check-raised 2,50, so he's terrible at poker. This means he'll underbet the pot on the turn. You can reasonably anticipate this mistake, call the flop, call the turn, and cross your fingers. Ice

[Vade 0]

Interesting idea Ice, and one I hadn't thought of.

[RISEorFall 0]

Drawing against a paired board is dangerous, but not so dangerous HU. I agree that if the guy had a boat, he wouldn't raise the flop and try and push you out or atleast make you scared to keep betting. You got your money in with the best hand, and it got outdrawn. You can't really be unhappy about that. However, knowing the guy had trip Qs means you know that even if you hit your hand (unless you get the straight flush) that you can be re-outdrawn (?? huh?? is that a word?) and some would argue that's a risk you shouldn't take. But you got your money in with the best of it, no reason to feel bad.

[Nutcracker 0]

Well played.

[Jordan 1]

Again I felt strongly that he had a Q So I tossed aside the other handsMaybe I was wrong to do so, because I'm often terrible putting people on hands, but meh

Well, it´s rare when people flop boats, or quads, but I mean..that´s a rule, espicially of NL. You should be very wary of drawing to a flush against a paired board.Reads change things...but I mean...it´s just kinda a basic rule of thumb.What happened on the river, this time, was just unlucky. Move on, but remember.- Jordan

Unless he has a boat, our hero's about a 55-45 dog. He's favored against a wide range of hands, like slowplayed kings aces, or something like AT. If he just had the Khi flush OR straight draw, it's easy to get away from. But with 15 outs twice, there's absolutely no bet he can reasonably fold to on the flop, assuming he likes money. He only check-raised 2,50, so he's terrible at poker. This means he'll underbet the pot on the turn. You can reasonably anticipate this mistake, call the flop, call the turn, and cross your fingers. Ice

I wasn´t telling him to fold the flop. But it is good to learn the dangers of chasing a flush against a paired board early on in your poker career. Learning at the lower stakes should prepare you for when you enter the higher stakes. IE, recognize the situation and react correctly more often than not.There really was no way to react to the riv, that was just unlucky...but sometimes you will be drawing dead...and you need to realize that. Espicially with more money on the line, IMHO.- Jordan

[TheIceman05 0]

Once again, it's important to distinguish between a pedestrian "flush draw" and the enormous combo "straight/flush/straightflush" draw. The reason you don't want to draw against a paired board isn't because you're drawing dead a big chunk of the time. It's because if someone got trips, some of your outs aren't clean.In this case, you're a pretty slight dawg to trips. It would be an enormous error NOT to call an all-in on the flop here. Paired board or not. Ice

[Vade 0]

Erm, I dunno about an allin on the flop, certainly calling an allin after I hit my flush. I guess it would be a bit more situational, depending on pot size and all that. Might even have to fold the monster if he moves all in on the flop with only the 2 bucks out there.

[TheIceman05 0]

Erm, I dunno about an allin on the flop, certainly calling an allin after I hit my flush. I guess it would be a bit more situational, depending on pot size and all that. Might even have to fold the monster if he moves all in on the flop with only the 2 bucks out there.

Actually, after you lead for 2.50, you really should call any bet he makes here. There's like 8 bucks in the pot after he calls your bet, and I think he has about 18 left to push with. Total pot if you call is 44. You're gonna win about 45% of the time if he has trip queens (he could easily be moving here with a hand that's significantly worse, mind you). .45 x 44 = 19.80. Which means you're calling 18, and getting back 19.80, for a tidy profit of a 1.80. Keeping in mind that if he has a hand like AT you're light years ahead, this would be a pretty easy call.