Messy With Connectors

[Snake Plissken 0]

very first hand. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comUTG ($142.85)MP ($23.50)CO ($98.50)Hero (Button) ($100)SB ($101.40)BB ($143)Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, 73 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB calls $2.50, 1 foldFlop: ($7) 6, K, A(2 players)SB checks, Hero checksTurn: ($7) 6(2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $4, SB calls $4River: ($15) Q(2 players)SB bets $9, Hero raises to $38, SB raises to $88.50, Hero?QQ really? Can't be. I was thinking Jh10h. Man I hate this. It's the only hand he can have imo. But I think it's hard to lay

[tskillz187 0]

I think it's a standard fold. Nothing 3bets the river as a bluff, nothing value raises the river with worse than trips. I'd probably raise river to $30, I think it gets called more often.

[BaseJester 1]

Flop: ($7) 6, K, A(2 players)SB checks, Hero checks

I would bet this flop. We can represent an ace and if we're called we have some outs to 2 pair.

[DonkSlayer 1]

What image do you prefer or just have from your favored style of play? If it isn't LAG, I would muck this preflop. It's a fold. I think your river raise was unnecessarily high as I don't think you're getting called much at all from a worse hand.

[krup24 0]

if your gonna raise this pf you need to bet this flop imo. checking behind turn u/i would be standard as well.as played i instafold

[SGFULTON83 0]

Fold the river easily, you possibly could have been behind the whole way here. Depends on how SB plays his big pairs, but reasonble to think he could hold KK here but this being first hand and no read its hard to say. You also have to consider its SB's first hand against us as well so he could have been playing his big pair a little on the safe side since he had no read on us either. Tough to put him on exact holding but its safe to say we are beat here.

[Snake Plissken 0]

What image do you prefer or just have from your favored style of play? If it isn't LAG, I would muck this preflop. It's a fold. I think your river raise was unnecessarily high as I don't think you're getting called much at all from a worse hand.

yes I'm LAG. I raise and reraise with all kind of bull shit. Sometimes I feel I'm pushing the edge. My thinking get's a bit skewed every once in a while cuz I'm so used to value bet light and stuff. I didn't played this good. It's clear to me now. To you guys who thought I should c-bet. I check behind on flop and was going to fold if I didn't improve. Weak? No, I don't think so. I'm taking the confrontation another time with this guy when I feel better about the situation. I did improve so I bet and get called. On the river, I don't hate my raise. A bit big perhaps. Insta insta fold the reraise. Thanks for the input

[krup24 0]

yes I'm LAG. I raise and reraise with all kind of bull shit. Sometimes I feel I'm pushing the edge. My thinking get's a bit skewed every once in a while cuz I'm so used to value bet light and stuff. I didn't played this good. It's clear to me now. To you guys who thought I should c-bet. I check behind on flop and was going to fold if I didn't improve. Weak? No, I don't think so. I'm taking the confrontation another time with this guy when I feel better about the situation. I did improve so I bet and get called. On the river, I don't hate my raise. A bit big perhaps. Insta insta fold the reraise. Thanks for the input

if ur LAG which I highly doubt this is an insta C-bet. a true LAG never ever checks this flop IMO.

[trystero 0]

if ur LAG which I highly doubt this is an insta C-bet. a true LAG never ever checks this flop IMO.

lol

[Snamuh 0]

yes I'm LAG. I raise and reraise with all kind of bull shit. Sometimes I feel I'm pushing the edge. My thinking get's a bit skewed every once in a while cuz I'm so used to value bet light and stuff. I didn't played this good. It's clear to me now. To you guys who thought I should c-bet. I check behind on flop and was going to fold if I didn't improve. Weak? No, I don't think so. I'm taking the confrontation another time with this guy when I feel better about the situation. I did improve so I bet and get called. On the river, I don't hate my raise. A bit big perhaps. Insta insta fold the reraise. Thanks for the input

This paragraph leads me to believe you are more loose passive than LAG (as krup stated).

[TB17 0]

if ur LAG which I highly doubt this is an insta C-bet. a true LAG never ever checks this flop IMO.

WTF?!?!?!?!Uhm Yea insta fold.

[AcesOnFire 0]

WTF?!?!?!?!Uhm Yea insta fold.

Think thats a mind fck up.I bet this flop. As played, fold the river.

[krup24 0]

WTF?!?!?!?!Uhm Yea insta fold.

sorry did i need a comma somewherehow bout thisif ur a lag, which i highly doubt, this is an insta C-Bet. a true LAG never ever checks this flop imo.

[mtdesmoines 2]

if your gonna raise this pf you need to bet this flop imo. checking behind turn u/i would be standard as well.as played i instafold

This. As players, we HAVE to unnerstand how visible and exploitable our trips hands are.

[Snake Plissken 0]

This paragraph leads me to believe you are more loose passive than LAG (as krup stated).

oh really? I don't like that u said that. U don't have enough information about me to say that. Do you think my turn and river action is passive? I decided to slow down w AK showing after I get a call from the SB. To those of you who dont understand the idea behind being extra cautious with a player calling from the SB, I'll clear that out for you: The SB hand range is usually very tight since he's got bad position. So checking behind with the board looking like that may not be standard but still totally ok. I try to be LAG but I have a reverse as well, as every player should have

[krup24 0]

oh really? I don't like that u said that. U don't have enough information about me to say that. Do you think my turn and river action is passive? I decided to slow down w AK showing after I get a call from the SB. To those of you who dont understand the idea behind being extra cautious with a player calling from the SB, I'll clear that out for you: The SB hand range is usually very tight since he's got bad position. So checking behind with the board looking like that may not be standard but still totally ok. I try to be LAG but I have a reverse as well, as every player should have

what i think he's saying and i'm definitely saying is that a true LAG will never ever check this flop. your above paragraph doesn't help your case for being a LAG.you can't simply think i raise 67o from the button and check behind when i hit a pair and bet the turn and super raise the river cause i'm a LAG. this is prototypical tight borderline weak passive imho.also please don't think anybody is saying that you suck. tons of us have weak/tight/passive issues. i had a huge issue prior to some great coaching from simo.

[Snake Plissken 0]

what i think he's saying and i'm definitely saying is that a true LAG will never ever check this flop. your above paragraph doesn't help your case for being a LAG.you can't simply think i raise 67o from the button and check behind when i hit a pair and bet the turn and super raise the river cause i'm a LAG. this is prototypical tight borderline weak passive imho.also please don't think anybody is saying that you suck. tons of us have weak/tight/passive issues. i had a huge issue prior to some great coaching from simo.

I get ur point but ur missing mine. I check behind because I have a hand with some value. I'm trying to give myself a chance to improve and get some $ from my opponent. If I miss the flop, I bet 100% of the time. U hate that? Perhaps by making a play like this I just might not qualify for the LAG category. I dunno

[tskillz187 0]

Am I the only one that thinks LAGs check this flop? I think they check this flop a decent amount.

[Snamuh 0]

There are merits to pot control lines but then you said you were going to fold if you did not improve. If you are checking back the flop because you have value but will not get called by worse, then you shouldn't be folding to a turn lead. Otherwise you should just lead the flop and check back the turn unimproved. If you are going to fold to a turn lead, why do you check back the flop? A LAG is going to bet this flop a fair amount of the time. A fair amount of the hands that are going to be calling out of the blinds (pocket pairs, possibly suited connectors) are just going to check/fold to your bet. Realistically, the only hands you have to worry about are AT/AJ/KQ/KJ and occasionally some other random Ax hands.The reason I stated it seemed like you were more loose passive is because you raised and then checked, planning to fold to any bet unimproved. What's the point in raising preflop to begin with then?Additionally, players who often check back midpair tend to be extremely exploitable, especially to someone that can hand read.

[BaseJester 1]

I think I call the river getting 3:1. I think the villain can show up with two big pair here sometimes. QQ doesn't seem plausible. I'd discount AA and KK somewhat personally, but we can leave them all in the range and still call.

26  games	 0.005 secs	 5,200  games/secBoard: 6c Ks Ah 6h QdDead:  	equity	 win	 tie		   pots won	 pots tied	Hand 0:	 46.154%	  42.31%	 03.85%				 11			 1.00   { 7d6s }Hand 1:	 53.846%	  50.00%	 03.85%				 13			 1.00   { KK+, AQs+, A6s, JTs, 86s, 76s, 65s, AcKs, AhKd, AQo, JcTd, JcTh }