Flopped Second Nuts Vs Aggressive Player

[TrueFX 0]

$1 / $2 at the Venetian.I had been playing at the same table for about 4 hours and the big stack at the table has been very aggressive. He has not shown down many hands and bets heavy on every street. I think I have seen his hand twice and both time he had the goods. The aggressive player had run his stack up around $1,000 with just two showdowns. My stack was right around $700.I am sitting in early position with :D and limp in knowing that the aggressive player will raise the pot.Aggressive player hits it for $12 and the button calls. Blinds fold, I call, and we are 3 to the flop.Flop : :qhI check in the hopes that the aggressive player or the button will bet.Aggressive player bets $75, Button folds, and I call. I didn't raise because he has 3 bet me and everyone else at the table in just about every other hand that he plays.Turn : :3cI check, and he checks!!!River I bet $200, he folds face up telling me how lucky I was that he didn't bust me.Should I have led into him on the flop? Check Raised? I was trying to let him hang himself and decided that I was going to check raise on the turn. Do you normally lead into an aggressive player? Check raise the flop?How could I have extracted more money from him not knowing he was on 2 big draws?Thanks

[mtdesmoines 2]

$1 / $2 at the Venetian.I had been playing at the same table for about 4 hours and the big stack at the table has been very aggressive. He has not shown down many hands and bets heavy on every street. I think I have seen his hand twice and both time he had the goods. The aggressive player had run his stack up around $1,000 with just two showdowns. My stack was right around $700.I am sitting in early position with :D and limp in knowing that the aggressive player will raise the pot.Aggressive player hits it for $12 and the button calls. Blinds fold, I call, and we are 3 to the flop.Flop : :qhI check in the hopes that the aggressive player or the button will bet.Aggressive player bets $75, Button folds, and I call. I didn't raise because he has 3 bet me and everyone else at the table in just about every other hand that he plays.Turn : :3cI check, and he checks!!!River I bet $200, he folds face up telling me how lucky I was that he didn't bust me.Should I have led into him on the flop? No, I don't think leading that gigantic flop into an aggressor OOP makes us much $ over time.Check Raised? I was trying to let him hang himself and decided that I was going to check raise on the turn. Raising the flop isn't a bad idea. I think if you raise that flop bet and bet the turn, you make a lot more $ -- a TON more $ on this hand in particular. And if we catch him with a Q, we're going to fry him. If he has nothing, he's not paying us off anyway. Check-raising isn't a bad play here against an aggressor who is sitting on a big stack.Do you normally lead into an aggressive player? Check raise the flop?Depending on his aggression level, I hardly ever lead my strong hands into an aggressive player. Check raising the flop will signal to him that you have a Q, but since he was drawing very strong, he would have called almost any bet. How could I have extracted more money from him not knowing he was on 2 big draws?Him only showing down two hands is a problem, because you can't define a range for him. He could be smoking a passive table with air 90% of the time. I think in summary, I would say we're not going to win much money if we don't put much money in pots. We can't trap everyone. Thanks

[DonkSlayer 1]

I think you played it fine. I'm not sure about a flop c/r, I understand MtDes's point about getting money into the pot, but it's results-oriented to say he had As10s so he would've called. It would be bad to lead on this flop unless the aggro player was raising donkbets a lot too so I like your check. Turn check check is fine. River, were you trying to overbet as if you were weak? I might've bet $100 instead, hoping to get raised, and maybe get a call from a K. The turn and river very likely didn't improve his holdings so we're less likely to get a hero call from him when we bet the pot, IMO.

[quadaces 0]

As played on the flop, and knowing that he is super agro, you have to lead that turn for a small amount hoping to show a little weakness and hope that he raises so you can reraise.I also don't understand your reasoning for just calling the flop because you are afraid of getting 3 bet. You want to get 3 bet in that spot because you can shove and there is no way he is folding.

[TrueFX 0]

I think you played it fine. I'm not sure about a flop c/r, I understand MtDes's point about getting money into the pot, but it's results-oriented to say he had As10s so he would've called. It would be bad to lead on this flop unless the aggro player was raising donkbets a lot too so I like your check. Turn check check is fine. River, were you trying to overbet as if you were weak? I might've bet $100 instead, hoping to get raised, and maybe get a call from a K. The turn and river very likely didn't improve his holdings so we're less likely to get a hero call from him when we bet the pot, IMO.

You're right, river bet was too big for a marginal hand to call. I hadn't seen enough of his hands to realise he had probably been betting and raising on the come to know that I could have check raised the flop to get him to continue.Thanks for the analysis gentlemen.

[TrueAce13 18]

Yeah, I don't see how we don't put money into the pot OOP. As you stated, he is a very aggro villain, he is going to raise a wide range of hands b/c of his position.Now how played, what do we think about firing on the turn? Does this show too much strength or could it be seen as a bluff?

[DonkSlayer 1]

As played on the flop, and knowing that he is super agro, you have to lead that turn for a small amount hoping to show a little weakness and hope that he raises so you can reraise.I also don't understand your reasoning for just calling the flop because you are afraid of getting 3 bet. You want to get 3 bet in that spot because you can shove and there is no way he is folding.

I just caught that line. Hmm. I still think calling the flop is a better play but I don't get his reasoning either.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Yeah, I don't see how we don't put money into the pot OOP. As you stated, he is a very aggro villain, he is going to raise a wide range of hands b/c of his position.Now how played, what do we think about firing on the turn? Does this show too much strength or could it be seen as a bluff?

Yeah but we also give him the opportunity to fold if we lead, and with the board paired already I think he's more likely to fold raggy hands behind our bet instead of choosing to raise, but he'll probably fire with most of those hands if we just check.I don't think a medium-sized lead on the turn is bad at all, I just want the aggro player to see all 5 cards for his hand before I pump the pot. The lead could be read as anything from big strength to a semi-bluff, leaning toward semi-bluff hoping to make my draw on the river.

[SGFULTON83 0]

Call the flop as played and lead the turn about 2/3 pot and the same on the river is how I play it. Especially against an aggro when you hold that strong of a hand you want to put money in the pot on every street because the aggro is likely to re-raise you and that equals extra $. Plus we don't want it to go check-check on the turn.

[pokerinc 0]

if you donked the turn for the same amount he bet the flop for it would get a call and possibly a spaz raise. looks like a weak 'i have a small piece/draw let's do the turn cheap' bet.

[SCS 0]

If villain 3 bets flop c/r's a lot, I don't know why you wouldn't raise.