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#1 wisky_VI

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Posted 13 May 2005 - 04:04 AM

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) converterBB ($83.00)UTG ($215.75)wisky_VI ($93.25)MP1 ($190.25)MP2 ($85.00)MP3 ($196.00)CO ($267.00)Button ($323.00)SB ($138.25)Preflop: wisky_VI is UTG+1 with [Jh], [Jc]. MP3 posts a blind of $2. SB posts a blind of $1. 1 fold, MP1 calls $17.50, MP3 calls $17.50.***maybe giving my jacks too much credit, though having been at this table a while I felt they were good.Flop: ($103.50) [8s], [7h], [8c] (3 players)wisky_VI checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks.***bad move to trap I think, should have bet out ?Turn: ($103.50) [Td] (3 players)wisky_VI bets $59.75, MP1 calls $59.75, MP3 calls $59.75.***can't figure anyone for the str8 here so all in seemed like it might take it down. thoughts ?River: ($282.75) [6d] (3 players)MP1 checks, MP3 bets $10, MP1 calls $10.***is this a suckout or was I the one sucking ??Final Pot: $302.75

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Posted 13 May 2005 - 04:18 AM

Just call the preflop reraise. Jacks and Queens are both too vulnerable to too many flops. You've almost pot committed yourself already here, but not quite.BET THE FLOP. There's a pair and a st draw out there. While it's unlikely that your opponent has any of that, it is likely that he could have two overs or QQ, KK, or AA. Fold to a big raise at any point in the hand.I'm not thrilled about the all-in on the turn, although you have an overpair.One of the big three is still possible.
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Posted 13 May 2005 - 05:37 AM

Vade said:

Just call the preflop reraise. Jacks and Queens are both too vulnerable to too many flops. You've almost pot committed yourself already here, but not quite.BET THE FLOP. There's a pair and a st draw out there. While it's unlikely that your opponent has any of that, it is likely that he could have two overs or QQ, KK, or AA. Fold to a big raise at any point in the hand.I'm not thrilled about the all-in on the turn, although you have an overpair.One of the big three is still possible.
I'm totally in agreement with Vade on this one. MP3 is the one that scares me the most here. Calling a big raise and reraise. You should just call the reraise preflop. You've got two players seeing this flop, and you likely are beat. Take one stab at the flop, and drop it at any hint of play back.

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Posted 13 May 2005 - 05:42 AM

You got yourself into a world of trouble by reraising JJ preflop. I really don't think you can get away from this hand anymore. If you fire a decent sized bet you might be able to take it down. Hell I might be folding QQ in this situation since you represented so much strength preflop. The only advantage your preflop reraise gave you is some extra fold equity. They probably don't have AA, but they could just as easily be slowplaying. You did not get sucked out on, you either had the best hand the whole way, or they did. Slow down with JJ a bit, it's not that great of a hand against a reraise, against the right player JJ can even be folded preflop.
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Posted 13 May 2005 - 06:01 AM

bet the flop at least 3/4 the pot
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Posted 13 May 2005 - 06:19 AM

A :) T :D and nine :) nine :D That's what they had, I feel it's a suckout.I agree with above posted advice, JJ and TT just kill me in so many ways it' mind boggling actually.

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Posted 13 May 2005 - 06:23 AM

Can people wait at least 24 hours before posting results.Or go to general.You are killin the feedback.
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Posted 13 May 2005 - 06:27 AM

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Can people wait at least 24 hours before posting results.Or go to general.You are killin the feedback.
good idea, wasn't sure what the norm is for filling in the blanks.

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Posted 13 May 2005 - 06:45 AM

wisky_VI said:

A :) T :D and nine :) nine :D That's what they had, I feel it's a suckout.I agree with above posted advice, JJ and TT just kill me in so many ways it' mind boggling actually.
Which player had ATs?
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Posted 13 May 2005 - 06:47 AM

AT suited is folding to a flop bet btw
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Posted 13 May 2005 - 06:54 AM

Petoria said:

wisky_VI said:

A :) T :D and nine :) nine :D That's what they had, I feel it's a suckout.I agree with above posted advice, JJ and TT just kill me in so many ways it' mind boggling actually.
Which player had ATs?
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