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#1 whatgreatis

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 10:05 AM

Is there any value in a raise here? Villain is a competent multitabling reg who's 20/15/3 over a short sample. I'm playing 24/19/3 and we haven't gotten too crazy with each other besides me 3 betting him in position twice.

What kind of range do you put him on?


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Stack sizes:
Hero: $41.68
CO: $7.85
Button: $28.28
SB: $13.31
BB: $71.09

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 7 icon_suit_spade.gif 6 icon_suit_spade.gif
Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 4 icon_suit_spade.gif A icon_suit_spade.gif 9 icon_suit_spade.gif ($2.55, 3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $2, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: T icon_suit_diamond.gif ($6.55, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls.

River: T icon_suit_heart.gif ($14.55, 2 players)
BB bets $6, [color=#cc0000]Hero?
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Posted 21 September 2008 - 10:46 AM

No. He's the only guy at the table that can stack you. You have a baby flush on a paired board if your ahead you're never getting anything more out of him and he's never folding better.

I'd be sick if he did, but he could have ah.gif ts.gif or the like.
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Posted 21 September 2008 - 10:54 AM

I like a small raise here because of his small blocker. Raise to like 14-15. He'll justify a call with pot odds enough (a big mistake imo).

Edit: I also bet turn more.

And to those people that claim that this is the only guy that can stack you. You will never get your stack in here so that is irrelavant. Raise and obviously fold to a 3bet. You will virtually NEVER get bluff 3bet on the river once you raise.
Snamuh raises to $76.75, and is all in
BigKamp: yyou lose
BigKamp has 15 seconds left to act
BigKamp calls $24.50, and is all in
Seat 1: BigKamp (small blind) mucked [Ad Ac] - a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 2: Snamuh (big blind) showed [Kd Kh] and won ($102.50) with four of a kind, Kings
Snamuh: you lose

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 11:03 AM

QUOTE (Snamuh @ Sunday, September 21st, 2008, 7:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like a small raise here because of his small blocker. Raise to like 14-15. He'll justify a call with pot odds enough (a big mistake imo).


With what? Tx Ax? Doubtful. Raising and folding to a 3bet achieves the same thing as calling if we're beat but for much cheaper. Our flush is only 7-hi after all.

QUOTE (Snamuh @ Sunday, September 21st, 2008, 7:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And to those people that claim that this is the only guy that can stack you. You will never get your stack in here so that is irrelavant. Raise and obviously fold to a 3bet. You will virtually NEVER get bluff 3bet on the river once you raise.


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Posted 21 September 2008 - 11:08 AM

QUOTE (LJB723 @ Sunday, September 21st, 2008, 3:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With what? Tx Ax? Doubtful. Raising and folding to a 3bet achieves the same thing as calling if we're beat but for much cheaper. Our flush is only 7-hi after all.


You assume people are playing perfectly. They aren't. He makes a really small blocker bet, which makes it unlikely that we're beaten to begin with (and it's a spot I might raise as a bluff). This is 25 NL, where people are going to be making tons of mistakes.
Snamuh raises to $76.75, and is all in
BigKamp: yyou lose
BigKamp has 15 seconds left to act
BigKamp calls $24.50, and is all in
Seat 1: BigKamp (small blind) mucked [Ad Ac] - a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 2: Snamuh (big blind) showed [Kd Kh] and won ($102.50) with four of a kind, Kings
Snamuh: you lose

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 11:13 AM

Also keep in mind that my raise would be about what I would valuebet if I were checked to (I'd probably vbet 11 to 12 and raise to 14).
Snamuh raises to $76.75, and is all in
BigKamp: yyou lose
BigKamp has 15 seconds left to act
BigKamp calls $24.50, and is all in
Seat 1: BigKamp (small blind) mucked [Ad Ac] - a full house, Aces full of Kings
Seat 2: Snamuh (big blind) showed [Kd Kh] and won ($102.50) with four of a kind, Kings
Snamuh: you lose

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 11:30 AM

I like a small raise too.

He shouldn't have a flush here if he's competent, so your hand is pretty much as strong as Ks2s, and if he flopped a set he's taken a very weak line.

I think there is definitely some value to a raise here. He could definitely have A-X, or KsTx, which will call a small raise a decent % of the time.

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 05:14 PM

QUOTE (simo_8ball @ Sunday, September 21st, 2008, 2:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like a small raise too.

He shouldn't have a flush here if he's competent, so your hand is pretty much as strong as Ks2s, and if he flopped a set he's taken a very weak line.

I think there is definitely some value to a raise here. He could definitely have A-X, or KsTx, which will call a small raise a decent % of the time.

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Posted 21 September 2008 - 07:00 PM

Results: I raised to 18 and he snapppppp called with 99.
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Posted 21 September 2008 - 09:09 PM

QUOTE (whatgreatis @ Sunday, September 21st, 2008, 7:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Results: I raised to 18 and he snapppppp called with 99.


He played it like a tool.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 11:41 AM

QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Sunday, September 21st, 2008, 9:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He played it like a tool.



Oh man. Agreed.

And I don't raise the river.
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Posted 22 September 2008 - 01:38 PM

QUOTE (Snamuh @ Sunday, September 21st, 2008, 8:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like a small raise here because of his small blocker. Raise to like 14-15. He'll justify a call with pot odds enough (a big mistake imo).

Edit: I also bet turn more.

And to those people that claim that this is the only guy that can stack you. You will never get your stack in here so that is irrelavant. Raise and obviously fold to a 3bet. You will virtually NEVER get bluff 3bet on the river once you raise.



QUOTE (Snamuh @ Sunday, September 21st, 2008, 9:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You assume people are playing perfectly. They aren't. He makes a really small blocker bet, which makes it unlikely that we're beaten to begin with (and it's a spot I might raise as a bluff). This is 25 NL, where people are going to be making tons of mistakes.


100% correct imo. I'd take him to value town any day of the week




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