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[Jam-Fly]

PokerStars Game #20544583172: Tournament #107931688, $100+$9 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2008/09/20 0:42:58 ET
Table '107931688 30' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: AcesWerk (7601 in chips)
Seat 2: NickelTrick (12869 in chips)
Seat 3: groverpika (13160 in chips)
Seat 4: Raydub (13070 in chips)
Seat 5: i am only 17 (2150 in chips)
Seat 6: sjco22 (4450 in chips)
Seat 7: hackiz (3364 in chips)
Seat 8: HardcorePawn (5635 in chips)
Seat 9: pkrI7OlIl0 (2130 in chips)
-antes (25) posted-
AcesWerk: posts small blind 125
NickelTrick: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HardcorePawn [Ah Qs]
groverpika: raises 1000 to 1250
Raydub: folds
i am only 17: folds
sjco22: folds
hackiz: folds
HardcorePawn: folds
pkrI7OlIl0: folds
AcesWerk: folds
NickelTrick: folds
Uncalled bet (1000) returned to groverpika
groverpika collected 850 from pot
groverpika: doesn't show hand


sorry for not converting.

Played a hand, two or three hands before this where he raised to 750 and I pushed for ~4.5k with AK. He folded and I didn't show.

Anyways, is this way too tight? I don't know much about villain. I just thought it was a sticky situation and felt folding was just easiest.

Thoughts?

[Sick Boy]

Eh its foldable. Some might call and see a flop, others might just come over the top. Just depends how you're feeling or playing. I see nothing wrong with a fold in this spot.

[copernicus]

Why is he raising 5x when 2.5x - 3x is standard? I would eliminate very big hands based on that, so youre dominating or a coinflip behind. Push.

[magnus72]

imo folding when your gut tells you to is always ok. let him go off on his raising rants til yo catcha hand to play back at him with.

[MovingIn]

Yeah, that's way too tight. After you went over the top of him prior, he's probably raising 5x to try and get those behind him to respect it.

[SGFULTON83]

Fold, IMO. Calling would be bad, re-raising is possibility but got to figure to either be dominated or just a coin-flip at best.

[AdamC]

I don't think folding here is a great idea. You're in the cutoff, and will more likely than not have post-flop position here.

I see two choices.

Call- You see the flop, and if nothing hits AND he remains agressive, you can easily fold here and retain 4300+ in chips, which is plenty at this level of blinds. If you do hit and he's aggressive (or not), you can become the agressor and pick up a sizable chip increase for yourself via showdown or fold on his part.

Push- No simple raises here, as even a min raise takes about 40% of your chips. You push and he either folds or you show down with what is msot likely the better hand.

To me, with a stack of his size, he's simply pushing people around. The raise screams small pocket pair to me so this is probably the worst you're up against.

[Mercury69]

Hmmm...UTG raise from one of the bigger stacks could mean a number of things. Although I think you are often ahead of his range here, it's entirely likely he turns up with AK/AA/KK/QQ here.

Your fold is nitty, perhaps, but calling is stright up retarded and shoving over top is only getting you called by a better hands, which is usually what UTG has (barring any strong reads he will play a wider range).

I like the fold. You may be folding the best hand preflop, but racing with a hand that is often dominated isn't much fun. There will be better spots.

Edit: Villain might be perceived as "pushing" people around, but he's not the only big stack at the table and I'm giving him credit for a real hand here. I've seen people shoving 5-10X BB with AA UTG to try and get people to think they are weak, so the 5x raise really doesn't mean much to me here. It's just as easy to believe he wants callers/raisers to be committing more chips preflop against his monster...

[SuperJon]

What's our play if we have AK?

Auto shove?

[SlackerInc]

What's our play if we have AK?

Auto shove?

I think so. It would be good to know how soon the blinds go up, how long the levels are (15 min?), how your stack looks relative to the field, what the payout structure is.

I agree that a fold here is prudent. Villain could have a lot of hands, but I'd say the most likely are AK and medium pairs, putting you either a little or a lot behind almost everything he's playing! And as Dan H. cautioned in HoH, you always want to be cautious about mixing it up with a big stack who can end your tournament at relatively low risk to himself.

Anyone else feel like AQs would be more playable here, given that you'd have a "backup plan" in case you're dominated?

[Mercury69]

What's our play if we have AK?

Auto shove?

IMO, yes...

[tbrick412]

I'd say with that oversized raise he might JJ or 10/10 maybe? depends if you wanna race with him.

[MovingIn]

Be wary of giving the big stack UTG far too much credit for his 5xBB open. It's a solid-player instinct to fear the nuts from a UTG raise later in a tourney, but if this table was tight enough, UTG could open here with a fairly wide range. A big stack here expects short stacks to give them credit for their raises, either PF, or postflop when he fires again... since his stack is big enough to end most everybody's tournament right then and there, and the short stacks don't severely damage his chances if they do happen to double through him if/when he puts them all-in.