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#1 NoBBiR

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Posted 16 September 2008 - 09:09 PM

Villain folded the BB and stole it back from the SB. It's his first rotation.

I have a ridiculously hot running image at this table. I think I had won like 4/5 pots including a 250bb pot the hand before with a boat vs. a random bluff.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($10.00)
Button ($10.25)
Hero ($25.45)
BB ($10.50)
UTG ($19.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[icon_suit_spade.gif], A[icon_suit_diamond.gif].
1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.15, 1 fold, MP calls $0.80.

Flop: ($2.40) 8[icon_suit_diamond.gif], J[icon_suit_heart.gif], K[icon_suit_spade.gif] (2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP calls $2.

Turn: ($6.40) K[icon_suit_diamond.gif] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($6.40) 8[icon_suit_heart.gif] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.2

Block bet river? Call? Fold?

Half pot bet on the river looks like a King? Still beat 99, TT, worse jacks, but meh. I kind of feel like this is KQ/KT/88 (possibly KJ but unlikely given my holding) a significant portion (75%) of the time but without a read is this is a standard call down at 10nl?
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 12:24 AM

I think it's a fold, mainly because I feel like he would have bet the turn with any draws and he would have checked down with any made hands with showdown value. I think you see a slowplayed Kx type hand a fair amount or something like QQ that's deciding to value bet. I always end up looking people up here and being wrong. His bet sizing looks valueish btw. A call wouldn't be terrible though but I'm a POW lately.
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 05:41 AM

bleh I call it; you've shown weakness on two streets. If it were PSB I'd fold, but we only need to be correct 1/3 times to breakeven. And at $10 nl you see some whacky hands. TT wouldn't shock me, or a counterfeited pair.

aj's been killing me lately out of the blinds, as well.

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 06:03 AM

Think he has either King or 8 here and I would fold, but I suck so take it for its worth.

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 11:31 AM

I call and expect to be ahead about one time in three so it should be a wash cash wise but at least it gets you info.

He could be betting aq here thinking chop, if he's value towning you now you'll know what that looks like from him.
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 11:36 AM

I think with a rainbow board too many of his hands that he called a bet with on the flop will have showdown value so the chance he's bluffing isn't high enough to call

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Posted 17 September 2008 - 12:21 PM

looks like a slow played K to me.
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Posted 17 September 2008 - 01:55 PM

[quote name='NoBBiR' date='Tuesday, September 16th, 2008, 10:09 PM' post='2794526']
very nitty but I think AJo is a fold pf rather than 3 bet OOP. I think Pf is your mistake to be honest 3 betting out of the blinds with AJo. then if he calls your in a bloated pot OOP. Like what do you do. The one good things that come from this is him foling PF or him calling and you flopping huge. Your reads will tell you what to do here more often than not. I would 3 bet this in LP vs most players 100% of the time. Look at most of the hands poeple post on forums problems are either with bet sizing or position.

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Posted 18 September 2008 - 06:49 AM

QUOTE (NoBBiR @ Tuesday, September 16th, 2008, 9:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Villain folded the BB and stole it back from the SB. It's his first rotation.

I have a ridiculously hot running image at this table. I think I had won like 4/5 pots including a 250bb pot the hand before with a boat vs. a random bluff.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($10.00)
Button ($10.25)
Hero ($25.45)
BB ($10.50)
UTG ($19.65)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[icon_suit_spade.gif], A[icon_suit_diamond.gif].
1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.15, 1 fold, MP calls $0.80.

Flop: ($2.40) 8[icon_suit_diamond.gif], J[icon_suit_heart.gif], K[icon_suit_spade.gif] (2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP calls $2.

Turn: ($6.40) K[icon_suit_diamond.gif] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($6.40) 8[icon_suit_heart.gif] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.2

Block bet river? Call? Fold?

Half pot bet on the river looks like a King? Still beat 99, TT, worse jacks, but meh. I kind of feel like this is KQ/KT/88 (possibly KJ but unlikely given my holding) a significant portion (75%) of the time but without a read is this is a standard call down at 10nl?


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Posted 18 September 2008 - 07:40 AM

Default is to fold here for me.
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