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[HtotheNootch]

This is something that happens to me quite a bit. I know I'm beat on the river and I bet/call anyway, and sure enough I lose. I don't know if it's the fear of being bluffed or what, but I can't lay down hands when I'm positive I'm beat.Here's an example from memory so bear with me:Middle position at quiet table on party. I call with Ac-4c. It gets raised behind me, but when it gets back to me there's 4 others in the pot, and my call closes the round.Flop comes down, 4-8c-4.Early position player bets, I raise pick up some callers, original bettor re-raises and I cap.Turn 5s.It's checked to me and I bet. Three callers.River is an 8.It's checked to me as I'm saying to myself "censored he's got an 8", but of course I bet, this total fish calls, and then the flop bettor raises. Of course I call (as does the fish), and we show it down:I have 4s full of 8sThe bad guy shows A-8 offsuit for 8s full or 4s.The fish had AsKs, and took it to the showdown.Final pot 23.5 BBWhy can't I trust my gut. For some reason I knew he had an 8 and I could have shown down the pot for free and saved 2 BBs, and I just couldn't.

[BigDMcGee]

first off, don't bet on the river in that situation, I think it's a silly bet... just check..Second off, it know it sucks, but dude, that pot was HUGE I mean huge.. you only have to win that pot one time out of 22 to make your call correct... when the pot gets big, throw the "trust your gut" thing out the window.. you have to make "bad calls" on the river in huge pots, because the pot is huge... it's much better to make a small mistake, and lose one more big bet, then make a huge one by folding when he's bluffing, or has a four also... IMO, the place to fold is preflop, flop and turn..on the river in big pots, I am looking for any reason to call...Read Skalansky's Small stakes hold 'em for more on this concept

[Emptyeye]

Yeah, in any big pot (And most small ones), the turn is typically the point of no return. If you don't fold the turn, you had better be DAMN SURE you're beat to fold the river (Which typically only happens if you were chasing a draw and missed). Yeah, most times you'll be right, but that one time you're wrong and miss out on a huge pot will have you muttering to yourself for a week.

[BigDMcGee]

I remember the bad folds I made into huge pots...... Again.. don't beat youself up for bad river calls...If you want to beat yourself up, do it for calling with ace rag in early position.

[tekku7181]

this is why i hate limit poker,,u cant protect your hand

[HtotheNootch]

to the LHE players who replied, you've got my thoughts exactly. I couldn't fold, but I shouldn't have bet. I despise my bet there, but I'm trying to play more aggressively postflop.Oh well, as the Dude said, "Some days you eat the 'bar' and some days the 'bar; eats you.

[RISEorFall]

I agree the pot in this hand is too big to fold. For the times he has an 8 he also has the other 4 for a split or a bigger pocket pair for 2 pair which you beat. The bet on the end was bad though, but you already know that. EDIT: I could actually see reasons for betting on the end here. The fish putting extra money in the pot. If you do have the best hand he's throwing money at you. But in general I wouldn't bet the river.