DKE_XP120 0 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [Ad], [4d]. 3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (7 SB) [Qs], [6d], [7d] (7 players)SB checks, BB bets, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.Turn: (9.50 BB) [9d] (6 players)BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds.River: (13.50 BB) [2h] (4 players)BB checks, MP1 bets, MP1 calls.Final Pot: 22.50 BB Link to post Share on other sites
Vade 0 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 I think this looks fine. He could think his K high flush is good. He could think his set is good. People play poorly on the river sometimes.Generally, unless there is 4 to a straight flush on the board, it would never even cross my mind as being out there. Link to post Share on other sites
Emptyeye 0 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Reads would be nice.My instinct is to say it's a clown who can't believe you'd raise the flop on nothing but a draw (And *GASP!* Hitting a hand on the turn and leading it! Who does that?! Seriously! Haven't you ever watched the WPT?! <sw>) and rivered a set of deuces or something stupid.Of course, I don't know this guy's tendencies, so I can't really say for certain.But to answer your question, no, don't fear the straight flush. If he has it, this is one of those times you'll have to just suck it up and take it. Link to post Share on other sites
DKE_XP120 0 Posted May 12, 2005 Author Share Posted May 12, 2005 If he has it, this is one of those times you'll have to just suck it up and take it.If by suck it up and take it you mean shop on Ebay for the cheapest rope to hang myself with, because I was finally on my road to remembering what a winning session felt like.Then yes! i'm sucking up and taking it up, and taking it when he flipped over a 10-8 soooooooted. It helped that on another table the very next hand I got rivered by a gutshot, that cushoned the blow Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 he probably thinks his set is good since you raised the flop. you're good here so many times its funny Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted May 12, 2005 Share Posted May 12, 2005 Preflop: Hero is Button with [Ad], [4d]. 3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Raise here preflop! You have four players in and 2 left to act. Build the pot. This should be fairly automatic. ImhoFlop: (7 SB) [Qs], [6d], [7d] (7 players) SB checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.Vn. ImhoTurn: (9.50 BB) [9d] (6 players) BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds. Vn. ImhoRiver: (13.50 BB) [2h] (4 players) BB checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP1 3-bets, MP2 folds, Hero caps, MP1 calls. Vn. ImhoImho Link to post Share on other sites
DKE_XP120 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Author Share Posted May 13, 2005 Raise here preflop! You have four players in and 2 left to act. Build the pot. This should be fairly automatic. Am I wrong to be confused by that?upside to the story, I misclicked into a pot with him a little while ago, and hit a boat, got some of my money back... feels a little better... five way potVindication baby! ONE TIME!#2039468564: DKE_XP120 wins $78.5 from the main pot with a full house, Fours full of fives. Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 don't raise pre-flop. Link to post Share on other sites
the_stein 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Preflop: Hero is Button with [Ad], [4d]. 3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Raise here preflop! You have four players in and 2 left to act. Build the pot. This should be fairly automatic.This is VERY debatable, I wouldn't raise this preflop Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,367 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 If for no other reason than to go for the free card on the flop.. your hand plays very well muli way, and you have position, don't fear the reaper..As for fearing the straight flush, don't be rediculous, obviously you're just wanting to disguise a bad beat story... If you live in fear of the straight flush, you're not going to make any money on the 99.9% of the time you're not against the straight flush.But, since you need some affirmation for your bad beat...Dude, I'm so sorry you lost to 10-8 sooted, that sucks dude.. I hate bad players, you just can't beat low limts.. here's a hug * HUG*Feel better? Link to post Share on other sites
DKE_XP120 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Author Share Posted May 13, 2005 As for fearing the straight flush, don't be rediculous, obviously you're just wanting to disguise a bad beat story... I made no attempt to disguise the fact that I was pissed about itdont be a dick because you're pissed at me for a previous post... this is the strategy sectionheres a hug: Link to post Share on other sites
DKE_XP120 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Author Share Posted May 13, 2005 I hate bad players, and for the record, I love bad players Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,367 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 I hate bad players, and for the record, I love bad playersI'm not mad, this is a STRAT section, this not a bad beat section, your post is telling a BAD BEAT story, this thread desreves to move to the BAD BEAT section...and, sinces you didn't pick up on my saracism, I'll be shutting the register now Link to post Share on other sites
wrto4556 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Raising preflop isn't *that* bad...but it's worse than calling, imo. Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 I'm cool with disagrement. That is why I will allways put Imho at the end of my post. If you prefer I can go back to putting it at the end of all my statements. Im no facist. I don't want to force anything on anybody. Link to post Share on other sites
avsfan 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Raise here preflop! You have four players in and 2 left to act. Build the pot. This should be fairly automatic. Am I wrong to be confused by that?Here are my thoughts;With the limpers I am gettin a value I am happy with on the hand. Behind me I have the SB and BB. I Feel the BB should call alot of hands here. The implied odds are great on a call. The SB should also play more hands due to the odds but the extra half bet makes it a little harder to make calls the BB can make though. The limpers should also be happy to call one more bet. Imho.To sum this part up. I want to commit ppl to the hand, disquise my holding and increase the pot. So I can win the maximum. Imho. Imho Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Raise here preflop! You have four players in and 2 left to act. Build the pot. This should be fairly automatic. Am I wrong to be confused by that?Here are my thoughts;With the limpers I am gettin a value I am happy with on the hand. Behind me I have the SB and BB. I Feel the BB should call alot of hands here. The implied odds are great on a call. The SB should also play more hands due to the odds but the extra half bet makes it a little harder to make calls the BB can make though. The limpers should also be happy to call one more bet. Imho.To sum this part up. I want to commit ppl to the hand, disquise my holding and increase the pot. So I can win the maximum. Imho. Imho I think its more the kicker issue to this hand for not raising PF with it. If your kicker is a 7 or higher then I think its a good raise. But with this field you'll be up against a better ace more times than not if you hit an Ace top pair Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 I think its more the kicker issue to this hand for not raising PF with it. If your kicker is a 7 or higher then I think its a good raise. But with this field you'll be up against a better ace more times than not if you hit an Ace top pairby raising PF here you might get a better Ace to fold. Not a much better Ace, an ace with like a 7 8 or 9, maybe even 10 or J. You probably would've heard from much better aces by this point, and a weaker Ace who wanted to see a cheap flop may think YOU have the big kicker. Just beware of people who play and call down with any ace. Besides, with the 4 that makes this a huge drawing hand, to the flush and straight. I don't think raising on the button here is bad at all. I wouldn't raise anywhere else with it though, maybe CO but that's it. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,367 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 which you assumably would have heard from, you have the best hand preflop, or are one of two best hands with the highest pocket pair... there's alot of dead money in the pot, with alot of players playing way infereror hands to AJ, so you should make them pay. Make 'em pay, Make 'em pay... and even if AK or AQ is in there, your suitedness still mean your hand is profitable against all those opponents... don't fear the reaper, raise it up.. people play way to passive preflop, IMO.. don't be afraid to gambo a little, an to get your money in there... and if the flop misses you, and they all check to you, expecting you to bet, tring to check raise, well then, go for that sweet, sweet free card... Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 I'm not mad, this is a STRAT section, this not a bad beat section, your post is telling a BAD BEAT story, this thread desreves to move to the BAD BEAT section... This isn't really a bad beat story. Is it really such a horrible thing to limp in with a pretty decent suited connector when you have a TON of limpers giving you HUGE implied odds? The title of the thread may be a little sarcastic as the only answer he can figure to get is "Hell no, keep raising this sucker!" But with the way the hand played out, the guy didn't start raising til an offsuit 2 hit the board? Who knows maybe he'll get some different answers and analysis. No it's not the greatest hand to analyze, but it's not some bad beat story either, IMO Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,367 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Of bad beat stories..Bad beat stories are stories where you havea big hand beat by a better hand, with good cards beaten by worse cards or what ever... bad beat stories are supposed told to get sympathy, to make the loser feel better, and to complain about the unfairness of the world and universe... This bad beat story was disguised as a stratagy story.... being scared of the straight flush is retarted, it's like having the top full house, and being scared of quads.. it happens so rarely that it should affect your statagy almost zero. And yet, this absurd topic got posted because.. his ace high flush got beat, and he wanted to bitch.. well boo fing hoo... just because this thread has been salvaged by a discussion on how to play AJ suited on the button, doesn't mean it should have been posted in this forum to begin with Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 No a bad beat story is a good hand getting beat by some crap that had no business being there. In your definition pocket Aces getting beat by pocket Kings when a K comes and no Ace does is a bad beat. Is there any reason pocket Kings shouldn't be in the hand? No, the guy caught a 2 outer, but there was never any reason for him to fold. It just sucks. So does this. It sucks. Suited connector coming in with tons of limpers, then hitting a straight and a flush draw on the flop, there was never any reason for the guy to fold at any point in this hand. So he hit a one outer. it's not a bad beat, it just sucks. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,367 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 No a bad beat story is a good hand getting beat by some crap that had no business being there. In your definition pocket Aces getting beat by pocket Kings when a K comes and no Ace does is a bad beat. Is there any reason pocket Kings shouldn't be in the hand? No, the guy caught a 2 outer, but there was never any reason for him to fold. It just sucks. So does this. It sucks. Suited connector coming in with tons of limpers, then hitting a straight and a flush draw on the flop, there was never any reason for the guy to fold at any point in this hand. So he hit a one outer. it's not a bad beat, it just sucks.You have your bad beat stories qualified by " what should" or "what shouldn't " be in there. LMAO I don't give a damn what hands should or sholdn't be in there.. if someone wants to put their money it, they can play ever they want... what I don't want to hear about is beats.. I could give a shite about some hand getting beat.... I don't care if it's a "Bad beat " story or a "beat bad " story, this guy is obviously looking for sympathy, and there's no stratigic merit to this story at all, because there's no possible other way to play the hand than the way he played it... so even if it's not a "Bad beat" story, it's from the same " Look what happenedto Me, give me sympathy, appease me" sort of crap that I could care less about, this doesn't belong in strat... Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Share Posted May 13, 2005 Dude I don't disagree with you totally. I just disagree with your definition of bad beat. Chill out. Link to post Share on other sites
DKE_XP120 0 Posted May 13, 2005 Author Share Posted May 13, 2005 To clarify on both ends:1) a bad beat doesnt really have to do much with what hands they were playing... I consider something a bad beat if they were way behind after the flop, and come back from ridiculously behind... IE losing to runner runner quads when the only thing they can win with is runner-runner quads. 2) It was Ace-4 suited on the button, not Ace Jack3) just because someone is pissed off about a hand doesnt mean he's not looking for a way to play it better. Every pot i'm involved in, I pull up the hand history and look over to see what I did wrong.If I think I played it bad, or could have played it a little better, I post here and look for a discussion Link to post Share on other sites
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