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[DKE_XP120]

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is Button with [Ad], [4d]. 3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (7 SB) [Qs], [6d], [7d] (7 players)SB checks, BB bets, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.Turn: (9.50 BB) [9d] (6 players)BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds.River: (13.50 BB) [2h] (4 players)BB checks, MP1 bets, MP1 calls.Final Pot: 22.50 BB

[Vade]

I think this looks fine. He could think his K high flush is good. He could think his set is good. People play poorly on the river sometimes.Generally, unless there is 4 to a straight flush on the board, it would never even cross my mind as being out there.

[Emptyeye]

Reads would be nice.My instinct is to say it's a clown who can't believe you'd raise the flop on nothing but a draw (And *GASP!* Hitting a hand on the turn and leading it! Who does that?! Seriously! Haven't you ever watched the WPT?! <sw>) and rivered a set of deuces or something stupid.Of course, I don't know this guy's tendencies, so I can't really say for certain.But to answer your question, no, don't fear the straight flush. If he has it, this is one of those times you'll have to just suck it up and take it.

[DKE_XP120]

If he has it, this is one of those times you'll have to just suck it up and take it.If by suck it up and take it you mean shop on Ebay for the cheapest rope to hang myself with, because I was finally on my road to remembering what a winning session felt like.Then yes! i'm sucking up and taking it up, and taking it when he flipped over a 10-8 soooooooted. It helped that on another table the very next hand I got rivered by a gutshot, that cushoned the blow

[KDawgCometh]

he probably thinks his set is good since you raised the flop. you're good here so many times its funny

[avsfan]

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Ad], [4d]. 3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Raise here preflop! You have four players in and 2 left to act. Build the pot. This should be fairly automatic. ImhoFlop: (7 SB) [Qs], [6d], [7d] (7 players) SB checks, BB bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.Vn. ImhoTurn: (9.50 BB) [9d] (6 players) BB checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds. Vn. ImhoRiver: (13.50 BB) [2h] (4 players) BB checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, MP1 3-bets, MP2 folds, Hero caps, MP1 calls. Vn. ImhoImho

[DKE_XP120]

Raise here preflop! You have four players in and 2 left to act. Build the pot. This should be fairly automatic. Am I wrong to be confused by that?upside to the story, I misclicked into a pot with him a little while ago, and hit a boat, got some of my money back... feels a little better... five way potVindication baby! ONE TIME!#2039468564: DKE_XP120 wins $78.5 from the main pot with a full house, Fours full of fives.

[Absolute]

don't raise pre-flop.

[the_stein]

avsfan said:

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Ad], [4d]. 3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks.Raise here preflop! You have four players in and 2 left to act. Build the pot. This should be fairly automatic.

This is VERY debatable, I wouldn't raise this preflop

[BigDMcGee]

If for no other reason than to go for the free card on the flop.. your hand plays very well muli way, and you have position, don't fear the reaper..As for fearing the straight flush, don't be rediculous, obviously you're just wanting to disguise a bad beat story... If you live in fear of the straight flush, you're not going to make any money on the 99.9% of the time you're not against the straight flush.But, since you need some affirmation for your bad beat...Dude, I'm so sorry you lost to 10-8 sooted, that sucks dude.. I hate bad players, you just can't beat low limts.. here's a hug * HUG*Feel better?

[DKE_XP120]

As for fearing the straight flush, don't be rediculous, obviously you're just wanting to disguise a bad beat story... I made no attempt to disguise the fact that I was pissed about itdont be a dick because you're pissed at me for a previous post... this is the strategy sectionheres a hug:

[DKE_XP120]

I hate bad players, and for the record, I love bad players

[BigDMcGee]

DKE_XP120 said:

I hate bad players, and for the record, I love bad players

I'm not mad, this is a STRAT section, this not a bad beat section, your post is telling a BAD BEAT story, this thread desreves to move to the BAD BEAT section...and, sinces you didn't pick up on my saracism, I'll be shutting the register now

[wrto4556]

Raising preflop isn't *that* bad...but it's worse than calling, imo.

[avsfan]

I'm cool with disagrement. That is why I will allways put Imho at the end of my post. If you prefer I can go back to putting it at the end of all my statements. Im no facist. I don't want to force anything on anybody.

[avsfan]

DKE_XP120 said:

Raise here preflop! You have four players in and 2 left to act. Build the pot. This should be fairly automatic. Am I wrong to be confused by that?

Here are my thoughts;With the limpers I am gettin a value I am happy with on the hand. Behind me I have the SB and BB. I Feel the BB should call alot of hands here. The implied odds are great on a call. The SB should also play more hands due to the odds but the extra half bet makes it a little harder to make calls the BB can make though. The limpers should also be happy to call one more bet. Imho.To sum this part up. I want to commit ppl to the hand, disquise my holding and increase the pot. So I can win the maximum. Imho. Imho

[KDawgCometh]

avsfan said:

DKE_XP120 said:

Raise here preflop! You have four players in and 2 left to act. Build the pot. This should be fairly automatic. Am I wrong to be confused by that?

Here are my thoughts;With the limpers I am gettin a value I am happy with on the hand. Behind me I have the SB and BB. I Feel the BB should call alot of hands here. The implied odds are great on a call. The SB should also play more hands due to the odds but the extra half bet makes it a little harder to make calls the BB can make though. The limpers should also be happy to call one more bet. Imho.To sum this part up. I want to commit ppl to the hand, disquise my holding and increase the pot. So I can win the maximum. Imho. Imho

I think its more the kicker issue to this hand for not raising PF with it. If your kicker is a 7 or higher then I think its a good raise. But with this field you'll be up against a better ace more times than not if you hit an Ace top pair

[RISEorFall]

KDawgCometh said:

I think its more the kicker issue to this hand for not raising PF with it. If your kicker is a 7 or higher then I think its a good raise. But with this field you'll be up against a better ace more times than not if you hit an Ace top pair

by raising PF here you might get a better Ace to fold. Not a much better Ace, an ace with like a 7 8 or 9, maybe even 10 or J. You probably would've heard from much better aces by this point, and a weaker Ace who wanted to see a cheap flop may think YOU have the big kicker. Just beware of people who play and call down with any ace. Besides, with the 4 that makes this a huge drawing hand, to the flush and straight. I don't think raising on the button here is bad at all. I wouldn't raise anywhere else with it though, maybe CO but that's it.

[BigDMcGee]

which you assumably would have heard from, you have the best hand preflop, or are one of two best hands with the highest pocket pair... there's alot of dead money in the pot, with alot of players playing way infereror hands to AJ, so you should make them pay. Make 'em pay, Make 'em pay... and even if AK or AQ is in there, your suitedness still mean your hand is profitable against all those opponents... don't fear the reaper, raise it up.. people play way to passive preflop, IMO.. don't be afraid to gambo a little, an to get your money in there... and if the flop misses you, and they all check to you, expecting you to bet, tring to check raise, well then, go for that sweet, sweet free card...

[RISEorFall]

BigDMcGee said:

I'm not mad, this is a STRAT section, this not a bad beat section, your post is telling a BAD BEAT story, this thread desreves to move to the BAD BEAT section...

This isn't really a bad beat story. Is it really such a horrible thing to limp in with a pretty decent suited connector when you have a TON of limpers giving you HUGE implied odds? The title of the thread may be a little sarcastic as the only answer he can figure to get is "Hell no, keep raising this sucker!" But with the way the hand played out, the guy didn't start raising til an offsuit 2 hit the board? Who knows maybe he'll get some different answers and analysis. No it's not the greatest hand to analyze, but it's not some bad beat story either, IMO