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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:04 AM

View Postajs510, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 3:05 AM, said:

Beans is going to tell me this is a horrible, horrible idea, but I still want to know.

View PostAmScray, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 3:36 AM, said:

It's actually not that tricky. Your drill press effectively acts as a vertical mill (you do need a sliding vise) and since the 80% frames only require milling of the rails, drilling a few holes and threading for the bushings, it isn't a very complex task.It's been a while since I checked on the 80% frame game, but if you google it, you can find them out there.
Its actually a good hobby if you have the tools....The eighty percent AR lowers are pretty easy but threading the buffer tube hole took some timeIts much cheaper and faster just to buy one from an FFL, thoughThe "forging" that I completed looked more like a sandcasted pot aluminum leftovers but finished up pretty good with a few coats of DuraCoat. I used it for a pistol project that hasnt been fired since completion. Now for the question...Ive always felt that I could break out of prison if they ever caught me for something I ever got thrown in for a bum rap. How many escape plans did you make and were any feasible?

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:18 AM

Could you please comment on the food.What was typically served for breakfast lunch and dinner?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:20 AM

Any particular story/memory of your first day? of your last day?What did you gamble on?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:25 AM

are you sure you didnt take it from your cellmates in your sleep at least once?j/k....good thread, i look forward to more
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:44 AM

View PostAmScray, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 11:37 AM, said:

When I'm experiencing severe variance in poker (like right now)
Did you play poker before prison? Learn in prison, etc?btw, sweet avatar and "call the massage parlor".

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Any particular story/memory of your first day? of your last day?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 09:47 AM

Amscary's account has officially been put on the ignore list.J/K, good thread.Do you think that if you came from a famous or wealthy background that you could have "got off" with the charges? Or, if you could have afforded the best lawyer would that have made a difference? Was there anything that you or your lawyer could have done better in the legal proceedings that would have / could have given you less of a sentence.Was the time you served standard for the crime you did? Or, do most people with similar crimes do more or less time?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 10:16 AM

View PostCBass1724, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 10:52 AM, said:

How, when, where, and possibly with whom did you relieve your backed up plumbing?
Okay, maybe I wasn't clear in my question but when could you jerk off? I find it hard to believe you went almost 2 years without shooting your load. I am assuming you are not into teh anal sex with men.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 12:15 PM

Even though you sound unwilling to discuss the details of your crime, can you give us some kind of generalities? Like, what general sort of thing did this guy do to deserve an ass-whooping, and what did said ass-whooping entail (weapons, etc)?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 01:00 PM

View PostRoyal_Tour, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 4:49 PM, said:

im curious to know the story now.I am from a large group of friends who are hockey players with a lot of fight and/or beat down stories.unfortunately one guy i knew from highschool beat up a kid at a bush party, the kid fell and hit his head on a rock during the fight, knocking him out, and te guy kept smashing his face... besides the obvious disgusting nature of beating up an unconsious person, the kid died from a brain hemorrhage.The way you describe the nature of your issue and buddy "deserving it" i'm lead to believe he either did something to a g.f. of yours, a sister perhaps. something that aggrivated you enough to threaten him. he threatened back saying Bring it on then.and you attacked him, possibly with weapons of some kind, maybe a glass bottle if this happened at a party. or a bat if this was a assigned meet up.
Pretty sure he doesn't want to get into specifics, I assume trolls could figure out details and he doesn't want or deserve it.If he wants to share he will, but I think you should drop it otherwise and stop asking questions about what happened.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 01:50 PM

Thank-you for sharing. I imagine that it was difficult to do.I hope that reading this thread is the closest I ever come to learning the inner workings of the criminal justice system.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:02 PM

Were there any opportunities to further your education?Ever read The Hot House?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:09 PM

Great post. AmScray has quickly become my favorite poster.

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 03:33 PM

View PostLadyGrey, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 9:52 AM, said:

I think this is probably one of the best threads ever on FCP.There are so many different approaches to prison, especially when it comes to the rehabilitation vs punishment and all the different methods. I would like to see a brief (or detailed if you feel so inclined) comment on each of these ideas:1. Prisoners are criminals, and should be made to work in order to pay for their keep in prison. They should be forced to do manual labour or some other productive work every day as if it were their job. This would benefit the community and society, prevent the view of prison as a 'free ride', and stop inmates from wasting their time in prison.
They already do have to "work". I got really lucky in that I have a knack for mechanical things and got a relatively easy job, but yes, 99.9% of all inmates "work" very hard. For the early part of my sentence, I was growing foods for institutional use. I have a feeling your prisons are very different over there, if inmates aren't working.

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2. Criminals often turn to crime due to a disadvantaged background, and as such they need to learn during their time in prison, so that when they are released they will have a better chance at gainful employment, as well as a better understanding of the world. They should be forced to attend classes, or complete correspondence courses in order to obtain certificates of higher education, be it a High School Diploma, College Degree, or a specialised course.
(WARNING: LONG. CLIFFS NOTES: CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM BROKEN, CREATING LIFELONG CRIMINALS RATHER THAN CORRECTING POOR DECISION MAKING OR ANTI SOCIAL BEHAVIORS. INSTITUTIONAL OPPOSITION TO OFFENDER REHABILITATION, ACTUALLY CODIFIED IN FEDERAL LAW.)At some point in the 1990's, congress eliminated Pell grants for inmates- because after all... THEY'RE FELONS! WHY IN GODS NAME SHOULD WE BE EDUCATING PRISONERS! CUZ'N THEY'RE PRISONERS AN' KUN-VICK-TED FELUNZ AN' EDUCATION IS BAD FOR THEM!To make it even worse, kids who are convicted of drug selling charges during their college years- even relatively minor ones- are made permanently ineligible for a whole host of Federal student aid after release (or, even if they've never served any time at all and just got probation). The original thinking was that getting rid of federal student loans for people convicted of selling drugs during their college years would help to eliminate drugs on campus. A collateral consequence of this most hideous and short-sighted policy (which has obviously has 0 practical effect other than to allow politicians in a few miserably sanctimonious "Bible" states like Kansas to add more hollow blabber to their "war on drugs" rhetoric) was that low income people convicted of drug charges, in addition to facing almost insurmountable employment charges, can never afford education either, even if they truly want to better their lives. In your country (Britain, I assume?), most convictions become "spent" after a period of time, where the offender eventually regains their basic civil rights if they keep their nose clean and their records are sealed as a matter of procedure. In this country, many states (and the Feds) have no expungement procedure whatsoever, meaning that a person is never allowed to get on with their life and remains unemployable forever if they happen to be born in the wrong state, or, convicted in Federal court. I've referred to the "philosophical change" in justice philosophy that occurred in the 1960's a couple times in this thread;In the 1950's, 60's and into the 1970's, the US saw a dramatic increase in crime (particularly in urban areas) for numerous reasons. Certain industries were in decline, the economy was wildly fluctuating, drug use became far more pervasive, social norms were shifting, etc. Prior to this, the general incarceration emphasis was "corrections". Prisons had machine shops, wood shops, trades teachers- if you found yourself in prison, the idea was to return you to society a better, repaired man (there were some grave exceptions to this- some old prisons in the South were positively horrendous places, but for most everywhere else, the emphasis was on "corrections" along side of the punishments that are attendant with losing your freedom and being locked up with a bunch of bad guys)It's a topic that many theses have been written about, so safe to say, I can't tackle it all in this post... Fast forward a few decades; a few decades of public disgust with rising crime, a few decades of "get tough" politicians promising to make prisons worse places for the sake of punishment, a few decades of ratcheting up the consequences for minor offenses, a few decades of lowering the bar for what constitutes a felony and here we are; a nation that incarcerates more people per-capita than any other country. 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Repeat- We're a nation of over 300,000,000 people, with a full 1% of them incarcerated. For the past few decades, we could ignore the massive failings of the incarceration system, since people who had served time in prison were still such distant anomalies that no one had to give them much thought, since their voices were few and they were Scarlett lettered anyway. We're rapidly approaching the point where we have to reform this. There's a lot of speculation why we don't- prison industry is a hundreds-of-billions business that supports many poor communities, has peripheral positive impact on industry, etc. That, and there's always those morally right retards who insist that disadvantages for ox-offenders are simply "consequences of their own actions and you should've thought of that before yuo sold that pot!1!1!!1one!!"____Replying to the others...
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 03:34 PM

How many smokes does it take to buy a bj?

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 04:02 PM

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Ive always felt that I could break out of prison if they ever caught me for something I ever got thrown in for a bum rap. How many escape plans did you make and were any feasible?
Zero escape plans. My actual time served was less than 2 years- an escape charge added an immediate five years, plus loss of all gain time, etc. You will find that this is the biggest bludgeon most institutions have- that you will eventually get caught and eventually get five more years added (plus, drastically move up security classification). It just doesn't make sense for people serving lower sentences. For example, numerous Federal Prison Camps don't even have fences- just "yellow lines" painted around them that if you cross, you get years added to your sentence. Most people in there just want to go home... The ones who want to break out usually don't remain in lower custody levels very long.The worst thing about prison is if you have a loved one who gets sick/dies while you're in. My home state allows for leaves in cases of death or terminal illness of a immediate family member, where your family has to pay overtime hours for an armed guard to escort you- in shackles and an orange jumper- to the funeral/hospital in a prison van (which you also have to pay for), then you get 2 hours visit, then back to the institution. Many states don't even have that. We had a few guys do it and it was always extremely ugly when they got back, since displays of emotion in there aren't such a good thing.

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Could you please comment on the food.What was typically served for breakfast lunch and dinner?
Lots of fruits and veggies we grew, "government bulk" foods, PB&J, instant mashed potatoes- it wasn't "good", but it wasn't subhuman or horrible. It was adequate. Plus, you had canteen where you could buy snacks.

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Any particular story/memory of your first day? of your last day?What did you gamble on?
First day was nerve racking, but not the total fearbox that most people say they experience on their first time in. I've always been pretty solid with "rolling with the punches" and since I already had a lot of life experience with bad neighborhoods/generally lower caliber people, it was something I knew I could deal with.If you're Mr. Mikey Middleclass, totally different ballgame. It will be extremely stressful. Last day was uneventful. When you're in doing time, you just want to do it and go home. You don't want to be there, you form no attachment to anything- I got about as much satisfaction leaving prison as I do when taking a dump. Brief, relieving, then immediately leaves your stream of consciousness. To others, it's a life altering experience. To me, it was just another brief chapter in my life. We played lots of cards, made stupid prop bets and gambled on sports. I had my uncle get sports lines from the outside and relay them to me on visits. I would then retool the lines and make action that was hugely slanted to my advantage, but there were always plenty of takers. I only gambled with white guys I knew I could trust and wouldn't stab me in the neck when my back was turned to avoid paying a debt. You bet with stamps, canteen items, "pledges" of canteen credits from the persons account. For example, Bob might take the Seahawks + 14.5 at even money and bet $5 canteen. When he lost, you would then place a canteen order and he would fill it. You had to keep track of all the lines and wagers in your mind, as any written documents pertaining to bookmaking would result in immediate transfer and security reclassification. I'm by no means an expert book maker, but this was just flat out shooting fish in a barrel. After a while, I had to tell my family to stop putting money in my account, as I had so many canteen credits with other people that I didn't need it.

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Did you play poker before prison? Learn in prison, etc?
It's when I started to take it seriously and actually think about how to win. When I got out, I started to take it 'seriously-seriously'. I always liked cards and actually learned how to play draw at a rather freakishly young age from my grandpa- I remember my mom calling me to tell me that "poker was on TV" when they first broadcast Scotty Nguyen's ME win. I watched older WSOP's before that as a kid, but getting locked up was definitely the first time I realized that my wits and somewhat refined understanding of human nature, behavior and tendencies could potentially be profitable.

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Do you think that if you came from a famous or wealthy background that you could have "got off" with the charges? Or, if you could have afforded the best lawyer would that have made a difference? Was there anything that you or your lawyer could have done better in the legal proceedings that would have / could have given you less of a sentence.Was the time you served standard for the crime you did? Or, do most people with similar crimes do more or less time?
No, I wouldn't have gotten off no matter how much money I had. There was no question who did it and no question what was done. I'd say that I probably served much less time than other people in for similar offenses, but there are reasons for that. Mainly, that I had mitigating factors on the "front end" as far as the offense itself, but also, because people who tend to get locked up for violent offenses are usually violent types with criminal records and 'feral' type lives. I was a college student with an extensive community service background, no criminal record, etc. The severity of my offense mandated that prison had to be used as punishment, but had circumstances in my life been different, I may have gone away for a long time.

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Okay, maybe I wasn't clear in my question but when could you jerk off?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 04:13 PM

View Postgrocery_mony, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 4:34 PM, said:

How many smokes does it take to buy a bj?
As few as one. Not my thing, but if it's yours, there's plenty of it available.
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 04:43 PM

View PostAmScray, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 5:13 PM, said:

As few as one. Not my thing, but if it's yours, there's plenty of it available.
So if I smoke 2 packs a day I gotta suck 40 dicks

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 04:44 PM

How much did you get paid to work? I assume they paid you in credits? For example how long did you have to "earn" a chocolate bar?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 04:45 PM

How has this affected your credit? Is it difficult to buy a house or car because your need to tell them you've committed a felony?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 04:47 PM

View Postgrocery_mony, on Thursday, September 11th, 2008, 4:43 PM, said:

So if I smoke 2 packs a day I gotta suck 40 dicks
Or maybe just 1... 40 times.




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