Awkward Spot For Ak?
Started by Poker Addict, Sep 08 2008 08:49 AM
11 replies to this topic
#1
Posted 08 September 2008 - 08:49 AM
If you know the results of this hand, can you please ignore them for the discussion. I don't want them to sway the thought process. Thanks.
This event has a fantastic structure with a lot of play. 30 minute blinds, deep stacks, good times. We are over 6 hours in and ITM when this hand takes place.
I have been at this table for a while, at least 150 hands. And had reraised All_In_420 a few times - he is pretty aggressive and in some spots I restole from him. Slicknasty is one of the newest guys at the table. He has raised a couple times and folded to 3 bets. He was running around 24/12 but it is a very small sample - maybe 20 hands.
PokerStars Game #20236162164: Tournament #200800006, $500+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1250/2500) - 2008/09/07 23:44:08 ET
Table '200800006 504' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: smellmuth (204363 in chips)
Seat 2: Skjervøy (257723 in chips)
Seat 3: jvtilt (305656 in chips)
Seat 4: ProsperitAAs (55288 in chips)
Seat 5: 123punked (68914 in chips)
Seat 6: slicknastyAK (87969 in chips)
Seat 7: 5fty Outs (173260 in chips)
Seat 8: All_in_at420 (52049 in chips)
Seat 9: chek - raise (86238 in chips)
smellmuth: posts the ante 250
Skjervøy: posts the ante 250
jvtilt: posts the ante 250
ProsperitAAs: posts the ante 250
123punked: posts the ante 250
slicknastyAK: posts the ante 250
5fty Outs: posts the ante 250
All_in_at420: posts the ante 250
chek - raise: posts the ante 250
Skjervøy: posts small blind 1250
jvtilt: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chek - raise [As Kd]
ProsperitAAs: folds
123punked: folds
slicknastyAK: raises 3975 to 6475
5fty Outs: folds
All_in_at420: calls 6475
chek - raise:??
This event has a fantastic structure with a lot of play. 30 minute blinds, deep stacks, good times. We are over 6 hours in and ITM when this hand takes place.
I have been at this table for a while, at least 150 hands. And had reraised All_In_420 a few times - he is pretty aggressive and in some spots I restole from him. Slicknasty is one of the newest guys at the table. He has raised a couple times and folded to 3 bets. He was running around 24/12 but it is a very small sample - maybe 20 hands.
PokerStars Game #20236162164: Tournament #200800006, $500+$30 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (1250/2500) - 2008/09/07 23:44:08 ET
Table '200800006 504' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: smellmuth (204363 in chips)
Seat 2: Skjervøy (257723 in chips)
Seat 3: jvtilt (305656 in chips)
Seat 4: ProsperitAAs (55288 in chips)
Seat 5: 123punked (68914 in chips)
Seat 6: slicknastyAK (87969 in chips)
Seat 7: 5fty Outs (173260 in chips)
Seat 8: All_in_at420 (52049 in chips)
Seat 9: chek - raise (86238 in chips)
smellmuth: posts the ante 250
Skjervøy: posts the ante 250
jvtilt: posts the ante 250
ProsperitAAs: posts the ante 250
123punked: posts the ante 250
slicknastyAK: posts the ante 250
5fty Outs: posts the ante 250
All_in_at420: posts the ante 250
chek - raise: posts the ante 250
Skjervøy: posts small blind 1250
jvtilt: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chek - raise [As Kd]
ProsperitAAs: folds
123punked: folds
slicknastyAK: raises 3975 to 6475
5fty Outs: folds
All_in_at420: calls 6475
chek - raise:??
FORMERLY: chek - raise (ps)
FORMERLY: CrazyZeke (ftp)
sheets: sick hold
BKiCe (observer): gl chek - raise
hishga [observer]: shulda gone with the chek approach
hishga [observer]: fold everything
GG Interwebz Pokah. I will miss you.
FORMERLY: CrazyZeke (ftp)
sheets: sick hold
BKiCe (observer): gl chek - raise
hishga [observer]: shulda gone with the chek approach
hishga [observer]: fold everything
GG Interwebz Pokah. I will miss you.
#2
Posted 08 September 2008 - 09:22 AM
Obv. shove....
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I flat this. We have position, and if we hit, there's a good chance we can get one of them to hang themselves...even if we don't hit, we can probably take it away with a bet on the flop if it's checked to us.
I think..
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I flat this. We have position, and if we hit, there's a good chance we can get one of them to hang themselves...even if we don't hit, we can probably take it away with a bet on the flop if it's checked to us.
I think..
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#3
Posted 08 September 2008 - 10:22 AM
A player who has raised and folded to 3-bets opens for a small raise and an aggressive player flat calls. You're holding AK and have position on both. Looks like a good spot for a squeeze reraise, no? The question is what the size of your reraise should be. A large enough reraise creates a pot that will commit you on the flop with a CB but you don't want to reraise too small that both players decide to call. Since I'm prepared to get it all in PF with AK here, I'd probably just push reraise. If I'm going to play postflop I'd rather play against a single opponent and you can't do that by flat-calling here.
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#4
Posted 08 September 2008 - 10:23 AM
I think re-raise for a sqeeze play on All_in_at420. I don't like flat calling AK when I've got position.
#5
Posted 08 September 2008 - 07:45 PM
We should only flat here if we believe we can take the pot postflop almost regardless of what comes down. Otherwise, put the squeeze on. I may even raise enough here to pot commit either villain... but that's read dependent, and if we think we can usually thin the herd or take this pot now with a smaller repop than that, then do it.
#6
Posted 08 September 2008 - 08:58 PM
A raise here has to be to 30k or more, which is too much of your stack. Its flat or push, and I dont want to overcommit with AK against 2 players. Flat it and use your position.
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#7
Posted 08 September 2008 - 09:36 PM
Hmm.. Matt Stout always has Aces here I think.. its a sick spot.. I seriously dont know what to do, lol.
#8
Posted 09 September 2008 - 05:06 AM
QUOTE (WhatArunAA @ Tuesday, September 9th, 2008, 12:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm.. Matt Stout always has Aces here I think.. its a sick spot.. I seriously dont know what to do, lol.
this
stout is huge here like always, i prob flat and hope to flop ze nuts
#9
Posted 09 September 2008 - 05:43 AM
Stop n Go on any flop with A/K, no connectors (?)
I was thinking a raise to 21K might do the trick, but a 3 bet by a quality hands puts you in fold or shove mode and folding loses you 25% of your stack. I think it's a reasonably good time for a shove, but you can almost guarantee that it's going to be a coinflip and you're going to have to hit. People won't go all the way with AQ here, will they? And small PP's would likely fold, leaving you against TT+ or AK...
I was thinking a raise to 21K might do the trick, but a 3 bet by a quality hands puts you in fold or shove mode and folding loses you 25% of your stack. I think it's a reasonably good time for a shove, but you can almost guarantee that it's going to be a coinflip and you're going to have to hit. People won't go all the way with AQ here, will they? And small PP's would likely fold, leaving you against TT+ or AK...
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#10
Posted 09 September 2008 - 05:50 AM
I'm not confident enough in my postflop play to flat call here. I would hate myself if I flat called and ended up having the pot taken away from me postflop. Just too tough against 2 villains.
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#11
Posted 09 September 2008 - 06:12 AM
look at all in@420s stack size. he's reshipping with anything that isn't AA or KK. folding pre is totally fine.
#12
Posted 13 September 2008 - 07:08 PM
QUOTE (WhatArunAA @ Tuesday, September 9th, 2008, 1:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm.. Matt Stout always has Aces here I think.. its a sick spot.. I seriously dont know what to do, lol.
Agreed
QUOTE (mk @ Tuesday, September 9th, 2008, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
look at all in@420s stack size. he's reshipping with anything that isn't AA or KK. folding pre is totally fine.
and Agreed
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